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fuck you rmrd

ocean-kat — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 21:07:35 +0000

fuck you rmrd

Thank you ocean-kat

rmrd0000 — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 21:02:31 +0000

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Thank you ocean-kat

All that tells me is that large numbers of black people can be just as stupid and self destructive as large numbers of white people are.

Stacey Abrams from the Washington Monthly

African-Americans in the South have struggled to construct two-way biracial coalitions within the Democratic Party, and when they could it often required conspicuously nonprogressive messages. As the parties have continued to polarize, that path has become less viable than ever. There just aren’t that many white swing voters to whom to “reach out,” as the saying goes…

But the very different strategy pursued by Stacey Abrams looks like the future of biracial Democratic politics in the South: a strongly progressive (though not abrasively so) African-American who can expand turnout among a rising minority population while still appealing to increasingly liberal white Democratic and independent voters as well.

Much as we’ve seen with candidates of color in the 2020 presidential primary, those on the far left criticized Abrams for being too centrist, while moderates worried that she would fuel a racial backlash among working class white voters. But listen to the facets of her message that don’t fit into the ideological boxes we’ve created for politicians.

“We are writing the next chapter of Georgia’s history where no one is unseen, no one is unheard and no one is uninspired. We are writing a history of Georgia where we prosper together…For the journey that lies ahead, we need every voice in our party and every independent thinker in the state of Georgia.”…

“I am the child of a shipyard worker and a college librarian who were called to become United Methodist ministers. I am a proud daughter of the deep South. And I grew up the second of six children in a family where we struggled to stay above the poverty line, but never struggled to know what was right or to believe in our possibilities. My parents instilled in us the core values of faith, of family, of service and responsibility. Hard work is in my bones.”…

Abrams doesn’t have to be dragged into talking about race; she leads with it. “My being a black woman is not a deficit,” she told Cosmopolitan earlier this year. “It is a strength. Because I could not be where I am had I not overcome so many other barriers. Which means you know I’m relentless, you know I’m persistent, and you know I’m smart.”

It is way beyond time for the rest of us to discard our assumptions about black voters—specifically in the south—and begin to not only listen to them, but recognize that candidates like Abrams bring something powerful to the table.

The lived experiences of blacks has obviously been diff et then that of many whites. We are not on the same page. You call them stupid while begging for white votes. Good luck with that platform.

Commentary from the poll.

rmrd0000 — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:07:39 +0000

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Commentary from the poll.

Black Americans also widely sense that their experiences with discrimination are underappreciated by white Americans. Just about 2 in 10 say that most white Americans understand the level of discrimination black Americans face in their lives.

“As a black person, you’ve always seen all the racism, the microaggressions. But as white people, they don’t understand this is how things are going for me,” said Tate, who said he is the only black male teacher in his school. “They don’t live those experiences. They don’t live in those neighborhoods. They moved out. It’s so easy to be white and oblivious in this country.”

Kenneth Davis, a truck driver who lives outside Detroit, said that when Trump was elected, co-workers who secretly harbored racist thoughts felt emboldened to publicly express them.

“One gentleman is waving the Confederate flag on the back of his pickup truck,” said Davis, 48, who is a Marine Corps veteran. “He was very brave to say, ‘Trump’s president, I’m going to get my window [painted].’ ”

Different views of the world

The poll is about the views

rmrd0000 — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:36:58 +0000

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The poll is about the views of a majority of blacks. It is about how they feel bout the United States at this point in time.

Williams is arguing about

rmrd0000 — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:35:05 +0000

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Williams is arguing about race.

In his second book, out Tuesday, Self-Portrait in Black and White, he calls for us to consider why we uphold race categories defined “using plantation logic” and encourages us to do away with the arbitrary nomenclature altogether. Not to be confused with the term “post-race”, he suggests “retiring from race”, “transcending race”, “unlearning race”. It’s a big ask, he admits.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/oct/15/thomas-chatterton-williams-race-books-interview

But when you mention the word

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:32:40 +0000

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But when you mention the word "blacks", rmrd like a genie will appear.

The really ironic thing about

artappraiser — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:03:46 +0000

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The really ironic thing about that is your comment was just starting to get it back to what Williams was writing about in the first place, before this thread got hijacked into being about race for the umpteenth time--which is what interested me in it. On how we are stuck in this binary/Manichean system which sometimes is very backward and doesn't even make any sense anymore in this new world, why can't we open our eyes and see where there are much different coalitions that could be made. I.E., that a prejudiced Bannonite nationalist can also be interested in doing something about global warming....

Your huge cut and paste have

ocean-kat — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:26:29 +0000

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Your huge cut and paste have nothing to do with my comment. In this case my comment never mentioned Trump and has nothing to do with him. You never have a conversation or a debate. You just use people as a hook to attach your propaganda onto.

I posted about this poll

rmrd0000 — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:47:38 +0000

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I posted about this poll. There are different worldviews

President Trump made a stark appeal to black Americans during the 2016 election when he asked, “What have you got to lose?” Three years later, black Americans have rendered their verdict on his presidency with a deeply pessimistic assessment of their place in the United States under a leader seen by an overwhelming majority as racist.

The findings come from a Washington Post-Ipsos poll of African Americans nationwide, which reveals fears about whether their children will have a fair shot to succeed and a belief that white Americans don’t fully appreciate the discrimination that black people experience.

While personally optimistic about their own lives, black Americans today offer a bleaker view about their community as a whole. They also express determination to try to limit Trump to a single term in office.

A Washington Post-Ipsos poll released Jan. 11 reveals that black Democratic voters showed most support for former vice president Joe Biden. (Blair Guild/The Washington Post)

More than 8 in 10 black Americans say they believe Trump is a racist and that he has made racism a bigger problem in the country. Nine in 10 disapprove of his job performance overall.

The pessimism goes well beyond assessments of the president. A 65 percent majority of African Americans say it is a “bad time” to be a black person in America. That view is widely shared by clear majorities of black adults across income, generational and political lines. By contrast, 77 percent of black Americans say it is a “good time” to be a white person, with a wide majority saying white people don’t understand the discrimination faced by black Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/black-americans-deeply-pessimistic-about-country-under-president-who-more-than-8-in-10-describe-as-a-racist-post-ipsos-poll-finds/2020/01/16/134b705c-37de-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

Comments in the article

Courtney Tate, a 40-year-old elementary school teacher in Irving, Tex., outside Dallas, said that since Trump was elected, he’s been having more conversations with his co-workers — discussions that are simultaneously enlightening and exhausting — about racial issues he and his students face every day.

“As a black person, you’ve always seen all the racism, the microaggressions. But as white people, they don’t understand this is how things are going for me,” said Tate, who said he is the only black male teacher in his school. “They don’t live those experiences. They don’t live in those neighborhoods. They moved out. It’s so easy to be white and oblivious in this country.”

Francine Cartwright, a 44-year-old mother of three from Moorestown, N.J., said the ascent of Trump has altered the way she thinks about the white people in her life.

“If I’m in a room with white women, I know that 50 percent of them voted for Trump and they believe in his ideas,” said Cartwright, a university researcher. “I look at them and think, ‘How do you see me? What is my humanity to you?’ ”

This is not about me. This is normal commentary in the black community.

You always speak of blacks

ocean-kat — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 03:24:29 +0000

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You always speak of blacks and whites as if they are two coherent groups but they're not. Any group of people with certain policy ideas needs to make the first moves. To succeed they need to convinces a sufficient number of others to support them. Every advance made for blacks were made by whites who supported them. Just as the right to vote for women was made by white men. Simply because white men had the power to act. Women made the first moves and convinced enough of the men with power to share it.

I and those who share my policy ideas are and have been making moves for years but have been unable to convinced enough whites and blacks to join us. I'd love to have black support but it hasn't been forth coming. In fact they are now supporting the worse democratic candidate in my life time. The only reason Biden is still in the race is because of over whelming support of black people. Mostly based on a purely political decision by Obama to choose a safe white male to make it easier for older white people to vote for him. All that tells me is that large numbers of black people can be just as stupid and self destructive as large numbers of white people are.