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Bill Kristol was suggesting

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:49:49 +0000

In reply to 1) Mike Bloomberg is awful.

Bill Kristol was suggesting the old codgers drop out along with the kid, and a few others. He favored the Midwest candidate who knows how to smile and laugh and seems like having fun rather than the stern worried and exhausting grandma who seems permanently on airraid alert. Of course Kristol's been part of the problem for years. But I'm just not sure the vast majority will go for her energy (not that media should be disappearing her before the primaries). Is AK weighty enough? Know little about her.

1) Mike Bloomberg is awful.

artappraiser — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:32:50 +0000

In reply to “Flood the zone with shit”: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy

1) Mike Bloomberg is awful.

2) The below description of this clip seems terribly dishonest. https://t.co/Te3gFX1LNe
— Kmele (@kmele) February 18, 2020

Twitter thread I think

artappraiser — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 02:42:46 +0000

In reply to Interesting made up shit to

Twitter thread I think related, big picture:

Helen, Peter, and I just had a fairly interesting interview about the Grievance Studies Affair for the BBC, and the questions being so focused on the university and academia made me realize something I'm not talking about often enough: academia is barely a tithe of the problem.
— James Lindsay, being effective again (@ConceptualJames) February 14, 2020

Interesting made up shit to

artappraiser — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 01:45:38 +0000

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Interesting made up shit to promote "victims of the liberal media" meme:

I literally have expressed no opinion at all about POTUS at NASCAR.

But Twitter is full of lying trolls that push falsehoods like this and I guess that’s just the world we live in. Buyer beware. https://t.co/yoSpxkNryl
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) February 17, 2020

It's a twofer: you cause mistrust of MSM and you're a poor victim of culture warriors, rather than an aggressor. Interesting contrast with the Bernie "swarm," where there are notably aggressive tactics. There is this weird inversion, where the right wingers are the victim of bullies (note the use of the imagined "outrage" by Tapper,) just so tired of being walked allover, and lefties play nasty alpha male bullies on behalf of the poor.

Among the various financial

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:47:50 +0000

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Among the various financial players in the newspaper space, Alden holds the distinction of being the most repugnant to the journalism community. Now, it's going after papers like the Chicago Tribune, Baltimore Sun, and New York Daily News https://t.co/A4D3rb1gXr
— VANITY FAIR (@VanityFair) February 6, 2020

as I noted on another recent

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:24:08 +0000

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as I noted on another recent thread, this guy has an ancient quote for every news cycle:

“Don’t trust the people; the mob is many-wayed. For the people, water, and fire are all uncontrollable things.”

Λαῶι μὴ πίστευε, πολύτροπός ἐστιν ὅμιλος· λαὸς <γὰρ> καὶ ὕδωρ καὶ πῦρ ἀκατάσχετα πάντα. #Phocylides
— sententiae antiquae (@sentantiq) February 6, 2020

"populism"

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:04:29 +0000

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"populism"

I already hated it back in the early days of the blogosphere when bloggers whose work I actually enjoyed would get on their high horses about bringing down the "MSM" as if the NYTimes etc. was their enemy. It was anti-elite, nothing else. DKos was gonna save the world, citizen reporters the future...fuck those big shots who got reporter's jobs because they can write well, anybody can do it and will...

Reaping what they sowed.

It takes talent. If that's elite, I'm all for it.

Edit to add: do they bitch about Rachel Maddow now having a MSM job with a big salary and audience? Nope. Because she's "on their side". That's the problem right there: she's on their side. And the truth is she got the (admittedly partisan and slanted) job because she's talented and highly educated, not a "citizen reporter."

I worked at @Wired from 1995

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:53:51 +0000

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I worked at @Wired from 1995 on, and we were thrilled about the potential of the Web to aid the democratic process by eliminating gatekeepers, "letting the users take control," etc. etc. Instead we ended up with a dictator and Russian asset in the White House and floods of BS. https://t.co/qZWerKd1Ui
— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) February 6, 2020

Me I'm taking a long vacation

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:03:01 +0000

In reply to Nice two paragraphs:

Me I'm taking a long vacation. Hope you have it cleaned up when I get back.

Nice two paragraphs:

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:52:43 +0000

In reply to “Flood the zone with shit”: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy

Nice two paragraphs:

In October, I spoke to Peter Pomerantsev, a Soviet-born reality TV producer turned academic who wrote a book about Putin’s propaganda strategy. The goal, he told me, wasn’t to sell an ideology or a vision of the future; instead, it was to convince people that “the truth is unknowable” and that the only sensible choice is “to follow a strong leader.”

One major reason for the strategy’s success, both in the US and Russia, is that it coincided with a moment when the technological and political conditions were in place for it to thrive. Media fragmentation, the explosion of the internet, political polarization, curated timelines, and echo chambers — all of this allows a “flood the zone with shit” strategy to work.

Now flip them around and think post-Trump presidency with Trump and fans still around selling curated narratives even if they lose. Do you really just want to continue with dueling faux narratives by strong leaders or start to try to fix the problem?