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Avenatti was never

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:43:00 +0000

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Avenatti was never appropriate - his job was to face down Tump and Cohen like a lawyer's lawyer, like Rick Is ilson on steroids, and now he sits in Manhattan jail but fucking lib Dems couldn't make their case stick in impeachment - Avenatti won his. But like with Al Franken, we shoot another of our most effective. Did he cheat these other people? I surely don't know. Do I trust Nike's story? Not at all.

This reminds me of Trump's

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:53:00 +0000

In reply to On Trump’s To-Do List: Take Back The Suburbs. Court Black Voters. Expand the Electoral Map...

This reminds me of Trump's prescience in attacking "the media". He watches political TV talking heads and the gets involved in what happens there as almost like role play, a game. This woman, on the other side, got mad like he does:

MSNBC asks New Hampshire woman why she's voting for Bernie Sanders.

She tells them that she was turned off by MSNBC bashing Bernie Sanders so much.

"It made me angry and I said, 'OK, Bernie has my vote.'" pic.twitter.com/o3Erb0Enrt
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) February 11, 2020

Trump takes it further and includes more professional media that separate news and opinion, as if they were no different.

But I think his main attitude resounds. Many people who are politically active take what is said on MSNBC, CNN and Fox shows personally and get involved in the role play. They don't get that it's happening because money is made out of them getting all het up and they overestimate the power of the talking heads on others not like them.

just on one of your points

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:39:38 +0000

In reply to I think there's still sexism

just on one of your points because I think it pegs her well and is interesting How does Kamala Harris compare? (Harris part of the problem is her positions are *too* attoerney-like for a traditional politician)

Seems like for major executive positions like president and governor, if they are L.D.'s they need to be the more theoretical Constitutional kind, not actual practicing trial and prosecution/defense attorneys who got deep into strident advocacy to the border of lying if not outright lying. Harris types are great attack dogs basically, instead of talented management and manipulation of bureaucracy. (FWIW this definitely argues against someone like Avenatti being appropriate.)

An interesting aside on the

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:14:30 +0000

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An interesting aside on the white flight topic. I was reading up on Liz Warren's background at Wikipedia yesterday. And was surprised to learn that one of her main turning points from Republican fiscal conservative to a Democrat concerned about the middle class was when she went into the study of bankruptcy in the 80's thinking that she was going to prove that most personal bankruptcies were people spending on stupid stuff trying to keep up with the Joneses. And instead found that, contra to her bias going in,rising bankruptcy rates were caused not by profligate consumer spending but by middle-class families' attempts to buy homes in good school districts.[30]

yes it does. you go further

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:04:41 +0000

In reply to He doesn't even need a

yes it does. you go further than me, but I think it's a valid opinion.

He doesn't even need a

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:16:17 +0000

In reply to WAKEUP: TRUMP DOESN'T NEED A

He doesn't even need a majority where he needs a majority, if that makes sense...

I think there's still sexism

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:18:00 +0000

In reply to I don't know why you are so

I think there's still sexism involved - Obama didn't get that question very much even as he was cribbing much of Hillary's healthcare plan. I suspect women are considered too pea-brained to manage that big ole "it's the economy, stupid", instead being more at home (that's right) with the grocery list and the house cleaning.

Big tuff men are counted on to just wing it and figure it out - saddle that horse, I'll be back in time for dinner (little lady... hope you have the vittles prepared & kids put to sleep).

That doesn't mean I think any of the female candidates are terribly presidential. In fact, I think almost none of them are. Part of that can be blamed on the Obama-ization of the presidency - that a guy (gal) can start running for President just 2 years into his only federal experience, while having 0 executive experience (i.e. a governor or mayor of NY/LA). Mayor of a town of 100,000? 39 years old for inauguration? a Masters, not a JD? war experience was a desk job with finance + driving a truck? (Teddy Roosevelt was less than 43, but he'd been NYC police commissioner, Governor of NY, led the Rough Riders in Cuba and Vice President of the US. JFK spent 14 years in the House & Senate plus commanded PT boats in the Solomon Islands.) How does Kamala Harris compare? (Harris part of the problem is her positions are *too* attoerney-like for a traditional politician). Klobuchar will have at least 14 years in the Senate. Booker 8 years as Senator plus 8 years mayor of a city of 280,000.

And Bernie's now older than any US President ever (including Trump if he finished a 2nd term), and that's a year before inauguration (and 4 months after his heart attack), about 10 years older than Reagan when he took office as the oldest. How's Trump's cognitive powers & energy holding up? Biden's? Look at Bill Clinton these days, and he's only 73. And imagine Liz Warren running in 8 years, what we'd be saying.

I don't know why you are so

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 06:45:15 +0000

In reply to They still love Trump - or at

I don't know why you are so puzzled by this PP. I think it's long been figured out. The 9% that give him a positive approval rating, above the 33% of the population that have long been right-wing nuts, are like this:

“Things are going to get worse before they get better,” he predicted as he tucked into a well-buttered English muffin at the Eastern Depot, a diner on the edge of town where the state’s flinty motto — “Live Free or Die” — is chalked above the counter.

But Labrecque said he has little interest in gambling with whether another president could offer more for his city. “I’m a Democrat, but what Trump has done is amazing,” he said, citing the economic growth enjoyed in other parts of the country. “I don’t like the man. I don’t like his attitude. But he’s doing good.”

It is a common sentiment in Berlin, a longtime Democratic stronghold where the Republican was customarily trounced in the presidential vote. In 2016, Trump came within a couple hundred votes of winning here.

All of the Democratic candidates, to one degree or another, have promised they can offer more to forgotten places like Berlin via changes to the tax code, greater support for unions and reductions in prescription drug costs. But even among Trump critics here, there is uncertainty over whether the Democrats can make good on those pledges.

from the WaPo article from NH that I posted on the NH Primary thread.

They tell the pollster that he's doing a good job because it's the economy stupid. These are not MAGA nuts and they don't care about culture wars abstractions. Prove to this guy that higher taxes on the well-off are not going to kill what's been going on. They remember no jobs at all, they don't want to go back to that. Poor paying jobs are better than none. Like it or not, a substantial minority fear Democrats in charge of the economy, including some Democrats. Don't want to hear the tax and spend thing, don't think it works, don't want to be "on the dole" and don't want to pay for others to be "on the dole."

When they go into the voting booth in Nov., these types have to feel trust that the Dem candidate isn't going to fuck the economy up. Or they may nervously backslide into voting for him again.

This is why "how are you going to pay for it?" has been a killer for Warren. As some talking head just pointed out on cable tv, Bernie doesn't get that question because he straight out says he's going to raise taxes, take it or leave it.

another related cross-link:

artappraiser — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 04:17:53 +0000

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excerpts:

In several key states — Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan — the number of Sanders to Trump defectors were greater than Trump’s margin of victory, according to new numbers released Wednesday by UMass professor Brian Schaffner.

defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012.

The post is about GOTV where

rmrd0000 — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 03:43:51 +0000

In reply to WAKEUP: TRUMP DOESN'T NEED A

The post is about GOTV where it counts electorally.