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John McWhorter:

artappraiser — Mon, 11 May 2020 12:14:42 +0000

In reply to 1619 project's "Ida Bae Wells" demonstrates a new kind of professionalism for historians

John McWhorter:

A while ago I wrote a short piece about the 1619 idea. Here I stretch out more. Nota bene: I wrote this a while before Jones’ Pulitzer; this is in response not to that, but the larger issues. https://t.co/VkyELIZwrV
— John McWhorter (@JohnHMcWhorter) May 10, 2020

quote from the above:

“The 1619 perspective, for all of its elaborate terminology and moral passion vented in serious media organs and entertained by people with PhDs, demands that we abjure complexity. It is a call for dumbing ourselves down in the name of a moral crusade” https://t.co/0STE4hLWrc
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) May 11, 2020

McWhorter and Glenn Loury discuss Hannah-Jones Pulitzer here:

My latest podcast with John McWhorter discusses the Pulitzer Prize awarded to Nicole Hannah-Jones/New York Times for the 1619 Project (warning: we're not happy about it!)https://t.co/7DnM9aucnH
— Glenn Loury (@GlennLoury) May 8, 2020

Glenn and I had a good talk about the implications of the 1619 Project getting a Pulitzer and the broader issue of black America's degree of "agency" in solving its problems. We kind of wandered, but then we always do. https://t.co/AAMzOB2bLq via @YouTube
— John McWhorter (@JohnHMcWhorter) May 6, 2020

Sound of 1 brain cell

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 May 2020 13:22:04 +0000

In reply to I'm laughing at you, not with

Sound of 1 brain cell clapping

I'm laughing at you, not with

rmrd0000 — Wed, 06 May 2020 13:18:02 +0000

In reply to Huh? The Romanians switched

I'm laughing at you, not with you.

Huh? The Romanians switched

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 May 2020 13:06:08 +0000

In reply to Thanks for repeating what I

Huh? The Romanians switched sides twice to come out winners both times, certainly weren't slaves - they were independent countries and they knew when their side was losing & when to switch. Hey, my Mom was fixing pancakes and then decided to have mushroom soup instead - guess she chose the Romanian option, just like those black guys in the Revolutionary War.

Thanks for repeating what I

rmrd0000 — Wed, 06 May 2020 12:44:55 +0000

In reply to You, like 1000s of other

Thanks for repeating what I said.

There were small numbers of blacks who used the Romanian option and were freed by the colonists and others by the British. Romanians probably got the idea from black people.

You, like 1000s of other

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 May 2020 12:37:45 +0000

In reply to I noted that the British used

You, like 1000s of other people, noted that the British used enslaved people as pawns.
Blacks fought in small numbers on both sides of the Revolutionary War, and were not likely to gain much in the end.
(Romania switched to the winning side at the end of both World Wars - them's the guys you want to learn from)

I noted that the British used

rmrd0000 — Wed, 06 May 2020 10:53:03 +0000

In reply to Black Loyalists also went to

I noted that the British used enslaved people as pawns.

Blacks fought on both sides of the Revolutionary War and still lost.

Yawn

rmrd0000 — Wed, 06 May 2020 10:51:20 +0000

In reply to A Marxian reinterpretation of

Yawn

New research into the facts. You are stuck and predictable.

Wilentz sent out a letter asking for backup and was rejected by most.

One posted his objections on a Socialist website

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/18/oake-n18.html

Oh, the horror

You are just a guy standing on the lawn yelling, longing for the past when views of history were mostly whitebread, as Painter pointed out.

Black Loyalists also went to

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 May 2020 06:33:00 +0000

In reply to Your popcorn is burnt. From

Black Loyalists also went to Bahamas and Barbados and thereby spent another 60 years in slavery (Maryland or better PA would've been a better choice)

A Marxian reinterpretation of

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 May 2020 04:37:11 +0000

In reply to Books already out

A Marxian reinterpretation of history - who woulda guessed. My favorite was Founding Father's anticipating cotton farming on the moon, starting the Need African Slave Astronauts program right under the eyes of unwitting abolitionists.

The Brits also offered to free slaves in the War of 1812, which is considered one of the major causes of the Revolution, along with the need to grow cotton along the Ohio River which promoted the French-Indian War (though if crops didn't work out, the Founding Fathers anticipated car factories and steel mills as a "Plan B"

Whee, ain't history fun! Look, Ma! No hands!