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David Sanger analysis of

artappraiser — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:25:21 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

David Sanger analysis of Putin moves:

Same Goal, Different Playbook: Why Russia Would Support Trump and Sanders https://t.co/Ola281u11K
— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) February 22, 2020

Except there has seemed to

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 21:45:00 +0000

In reply to there's always the 11

Except there has seemed to have been some 11D chess - the Spectrum/Alfa servers seemed to be a dist action. Disinfo may have been feed to Steele to keep focus on Papadopoulos and Carter Page rather than Manafort, Flynn and Stone. Rosenstein may not have been the upright shepherd of facts as presumed. Etc. And if you look at Barr's play, he was largely successful in distracting the earlier Mueller announcement last spring.

there's always the 11

artappraiser — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:47:32 +0000

In reply to Spin of a troll or a Bernie

There's always the 11 dimensional chess out there when true believers of any kind get cognitive dissonance problems. What they don't see: that is Putin's goal!

It's not about Russia

ocean-kat — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:23:19 +0000

In reply to Sanders in on Putin's Dream

It's not about Russia supporting a candidate. Russia is going to attempt to influence our elections. It's about how the candidate and the government deals with it.Trump welcomes it, encourages it, asks for more help, blocks any attempt to stop it, and most likely had at least some upper level people on his team cooperate with Russia. After elected he attempted to stop all investigation into what happened and to stop all efforts to stop it from happening again.

If Sanders did the same it would be disqualifying imo. Just as it's one of many things that are disqualifying about Trump. But Sanders doesn't. He rejects Russian help and cooperates with attempts to stop it.

Spin of a troll or a Bernie

NCD — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:56:26 +0000

In reply to I wonder if the Bernie

Spin of a troll or a Bernie supporter saw this 'logic':

'Putin let himself get caught helping Bernie because he thought it would make Bernie supporters abandon Bernie, who is the only one who can beat Trump. We aren't that dumb.'

I wonder if the Bernie

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:23:10 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

I wonder if the Bernie supporters who've led Russia denialism for 4 years will change their tune now that the IC, under Trump, has found that Putin will help Trump beat Bernie?

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) February 21, 2020

First, it normalizes him.

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 04:25:00 +0000

In reply to Vlad likes to see radicals

First, it normalizes him. Second, it appears to project Russian influence, relevance. Much of Russia's pride is built on expanding across Siberia, taking Crimea after 100 years of effort, taming the Caucus in numerous skirmishes with bandits and indigenous tribes, confronting Mother Winter and the Arctic at the Port of Archangelsk, as well as famed resistance to the attacks of Napoleon and Hitler. Controlling the natural gas that Europe needs to run? Priceless. Bargaining the future with Saudis and Iranians? Masterful...

20-27 million Russians died just 75-80 years ago - 3.3 million POWs were killed thru intentional starvation et Al by Germany (or maybe that was just those from Operation Barbarossa). It's hard for us to fathom the significance of all this.

Vlad likes to see radicals

artappraiser — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 02:21:44 +0000

In reply to Sanders in on Putin's Dream

Vlad likes to see radicals and iconoclasts stirring things up in everyone else's country. To this day I don't see what the plan is with that except that it makes him able to say to his people "come to daddy, I'll keep you all safe." Beyond that, I still don't get it.

Sanders in on Putin's Dream

NCD — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 00:25:02 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

Sanders is on Putin's Dream Team with Trump, Tulsi and Stein.

On his campaign funding:

artappraiser — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:39:33 +0000

In reply to Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

On his campaign funding:

And Bernie has a Super PAC that he formed himself while he denies Super PAC support. He just doesn't call it a Super PAC even though it does everything a Super PAC does. https://t.co/TeNNpHDYlk
— Lawrence Shields (@Larshields) February 20, 2020