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Yeah, skeptical as to how

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:35:01 +0000

Yeah, skeptical as to how conclusive and where it fits. SE Asia, just not the Chinese part of SE Asia, nor Iran...

⚠️BCG vaccine (for

artappraiser — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 06:06:23 +0000

In reply to Coronavirus vaccine could be ready by September

⚠️BCG vaccine (for tuberculosis) might hold some promise. “Countries that do not have BCG vaccination saw 10x more incidence of mortality from #Covid19, compared with those who do, says study which analysed data from 178 countries” ➡️ trial are underway. https://t.co/49hQzQMIhO
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) April 12, 2020

A vaccine that was first developed to fight off tuberculosis is being studied in clinical trials around the world to see if it could be a way to combat the novel coronavirus https://t.co/t6uonEL759
— Ola Salem (@Ola_Salem) April 12, 2020

I agree with your take on

moat — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:20:54 +0000

In reply to I watched the whole thing,

I agree with your take on whether the "future" can be depicted as system and how it relates to those who manage to benefit themselves in the market.

Being more focused upon the needs of the moment, I was disappointed that the immediate problem with testing was not addressed as the very first and last thing.

And if one is to get all economical about it, that is what all the corporate people are saying.

The matter of whether they should all go to hell can be suspended in the present emergency.

I watched the whole thing,

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:10:09 +0000

In reply to I am hopeful and don't want

I watched the whole thing, thank you for sharing the link. Most I knew but clarified well here. I especially liked what he said at the end which wasn't science but his perspective about what's happened and how we constantly slowly adjust to a new world. And then about politics specifically in that context, that's it's no longer got to be we won that or we fixed that but that politics needs to change to a dashboard, step by step, what worked, what didn't, where are we now.

The irony is that the economic fallout it's a worldwide problem but we've got a virus that makes for quarantine between nations. So it's not like a world war, where there's just two teams and you can chart the battles, who's winning this week. Many many nations competing with one another on the recovery...get what I am saying? It's the same concept of the Hanseactic League "bingo" about the mayors, I guess

On vaccine: I am much more optimistic than you from what he said, even though he strongly warned about high expectations using past examples, he also noted the extra fervor here and how amazed he is at all the entries into the race already and also all the new "sexy" ways nerds are thinking up for making vaccines. What he didn't mention: the profit motive working against the clock with more altruistically motivated, and throw in those who are doing it because "sexy", you've got a huge race to see who can be first across the finish line. If the profit seekers don't beat the altruistic to the finish line, they lose everything they invested.

This is not polio nor AIDS. This is a much much huger market that is desperate. But even the relatively tiny market that AIDS delivered inspired the profit seekers to move as faat as they could and price gouge as long as they could. Remember the astronomical prices for the first AIDS drugs? Profit seekers in this biz know they got a short window from the getgo to make profits, and they will soon be regulated to stop gouging, just from vox populi, they build that in, they know if it really works that's all they get.

It's a huge race between all the different motives. What will amaze me more: if it really does take 18 months. I'm like: no way, not with this economic devastation to almost every class.

I am hopeful and don't want

moat — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:06:25 +0000

In reply to Seth Ambramson calls same

I am hopeful and don't want to be a downer but Jon Cohen warned that there would be days like this.

I really want that large opera singer to show up.

Seth Ambramson calls same

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:46:01 +0000

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Seth Abramson calls same vaccine "major breaking" though my Brit art history buddy had it when he got up this morning from The Times. Anyhew, Bloomberg and WaPo has it now:

MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: Here Is a Full Article on the *Possible* (Emphasis on *Possible*) September-"Ready" COVID-19 Vaccine https://t.co/7qfm7BNwPE
— Seth Abramson (@) (@SethAbramson) April 11, 2020

MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: https://t.co/LfJgCX4huf
— Seth Abramson (@) (@SethAbramson) April 11, 2020

And second on treatments;

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:24:37 +0000

In reply to Coronavirus vaccine could be ready by September

And second on treatments; https://t.co/tE4pcGFYOB
— Bendor Grosvenor PhD (@arthistorynews) April 11, 2020

Edit to add: I posted more on Remdesivir here on moat's thread including the NEJM article.

Beginning excerpt:

artappraiser — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 07:15:41 +0000

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Beginning excerpt:

A vaccine against coronavirus could be ready as soon as September, the British scientist leading one of the world’s most advanced efforts has said.

Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, told The Times she was “80 per cent confident” that the vaccine being developed by her team would work, with human trials due to begin in the next fortnight.

The government signalled that it would be willing to fund the manufacture of millions of doses in advance if results looked promising. This would allow it to be available immediately to the public if it were proven to work.

With ministers struggling to find a strategy to exit the lockdown, long-term hopes of a return to normality rely on a vaccine.

Even if measures [....]