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And for his personal story

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 22:34:47 +0000

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And for his personal story getting published (follow thread)

For the talk, I briefly considered how negative reactions to more than 750 black-led demonstrations that escalated to protester-initiated violence in the 1960s might have contributed to Nixon's use of "Law and Order" rhetoric and helped him win the presidency in 1968. 2/
— Omar Wasow (@owasow) May 22, 2020

My research found protester

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 22:26:37 +0000

In reply to The protests — and the

My research found protester-initiated violence helped Nixon’s “law & order” campaign win the 1968 presidential election. But, another possible conclusion from my study is that peaceful protest + widespread police violence might make 2020 look like 1964. https://t.co/YxAl6lZgYv
— Omar Wasow (@owasow) June 11, 2020

For 15 years, I’ve been

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:54:29 +0000

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For 15 years, I’ve been studying 1960s civil rights protests with particular attention to how nonviolent and violent actions by activists & police influence media, elites, public opinion & voters. I'm thrilled some of that work was published last week. 1/https://t.co/zzvvPTcgoP pic.twitter.com/WVwc4Wg1CK
— Omar Wasow (@owasow) May 27, 2020

These striking from photos from yesterday’s protests evoke some of the surprising lessons of 1960s. Consider the narrative these images construct for the larger public. How do these images fit our ideas of who is a “good guy” or who is a “bad guy”? 2/ https://t.co/WTwzzZX8li
— Omar Wasow (@owasow) May 27, 2020

Now, imagine a simple model in which activists opt to engage in nonviolent or violent resistance and then the state responds with typical or excess force. (To be clear, the world is more complicated but these simplifying assumptions helps us describe some common patterns.) 3/ pic.twitter.com/zh3DP6vUh9
— Omar Wasow (@owasow) May 27, 2020

What was surprising was that while nonviolence could be an effective tactic, the best outcomes for the civil rights movement came when nonviolent protesters were met with brutal state repression that was broadcast around the world. See @repjohnlewis on Bloody Sunday in Selma. 4/ pic.twitter.com/ybXsBz6teE
— Omar Wasow (@owasow) May 27, 2020

thread continues....

peaceful nonviolent protestors + eliciting and taking brutal police crackdown without fighting back = media attention and subsequent ympathy from the public.

RIOTING on the other hand = BAD GUYS. No sympathy from the public. (I.E., Why are you burning your own neighborhood down? To hell with you!)

Not rocket science. Ghandi started it. MLK Jr. continued it.

The protests — and the

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:29:24 +0000

In reply to A Riot Is the Language of the Unheard

The protests — and the coverage of them — started out looking like 1968, @owasow writes. They wound up turning into 1964: https://t.co/iBYvwxgLUs
— Mike Madden (@MikeMadden) June 11, 2020

Omar Wasow is an assistant professor in the politics department at Princeton University. He also founded BlackPlanet.com and the Brooklyn Excelsior Charter School.

https://twitter.com/owasow

I don't shoot people in the

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 00:45:50 +0000

In reply to Don't you ever see the

I don't shoot people in the back or do chokeholds

The South lost.

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 00:44:25 +0000

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The South lost.

The South was too stubborn and too stupid to arm black people.

The white racists in the North gave blacks the opportunity to shoot and kill the white racists in the South.

My ancestors were getting paid to kill slave owners, many could not pass up that deal.

The biggest gift the North received was the incompetent Robert E. Lee

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/19/the-truth-about-confederate-gen-robert-e-lee-he-wasnt-very-good-at-his-job/

What if the South had.....?

What if the North had.....?

Jefferson Davis ran away dressed as a woman.

There were decades of

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 00:26:35 +0000

In reply to you still haven't a clue how

There were decades of pressure over the meaning of the Confederate flag and the statues. Without that persistent pressure nothing would have happened. NASCAR did not magically change. Why was the Confederacy no longer cool? Constant harping. The cultural change was due to criticism that reached a critical mass. They would still be digging in their heels.

On March 4, 1861, Abraham

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:52:31 +0000

In reply to PP- It's super-rapid change,

On March 4, 1861, Abraham Lincoln was sworn in as president. In his inaugural address, he argued that the Constitution was a more perfect union than the earlier Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, that it was a binding contract, and called any secession "legally void".[89] He had no intent to invade Southern states, nor did he intend to end slavery where it existed, but said that he would use force to maintain possession of Federal property. The government would make no move to recover post offices, and if resisted, mail delivery would end at state lines. Where popular conditions did not allow peaceful enforcement of Federal law, U.S. marshals and judges would be withdrawn. No mention was made of bullion lost from U.S. mints in Louisiana, Georgia, and North Carolina. He stated that it would be U.S. policy to only collect import duties at its ports; there could be no serious injury to the South to justify the armed revolution during his administration. His speech closed with a plea for restoration of the bonds of union, famously calling on "the mystic chords of memory" binding the two regions.[89]

The South sent delegations to Washington and offered to pay for the federal properties[which?] and enter into a peace treaty with the United States. Lincoln rejected any negotiations with Confederate agents because he claimed the Confederacy was not a legitimate government, and that making any treaty with it would be tantamount to recognition of it as a sovereign government.[90] Secretary of State William Seward, who at the time saw himself as the real governor or "prime minister" behind the throne of the inexperienced Lincoln, engaged in unauthorized and indirect negotiations that failed.[90] President Lincoln was determined to hold all remaining Union-occupied forts in the Confederacy: Fort Monroe in Virginia, Fort Pickens, Fort Jefferson and Fort Taylor in Florida, and Fort Sumter – located at the cockpit of secession in Charleston, South Carolina.

Battle of Fort Sumter

Main article: Battle of Fort Sumter

The Confederate "Stars and Bars" flying from Fort Sumter

Fort Sumter is located in the middle of the harbor of Charleston, South Carolina. Its garrison recently moved there to avoid incidents with local militias in the streets of the city. Lincoln told its commander, Maj. Anderson to hold on until fired upon. Confederate president Jefferson Davis ordered the surrender of the fort. Anderson gave a conditional reply that the Confederate government rejected, and Davis ordered General P. G. T. Beauregard to attack the fort before a relief expedition could arrive. He bombarded Fort Sumter on April 12–13, forcing its capitulation.

The attack on Fort Sumter rallied the North to the defense of American nationalism. Historian Allan Nevins underscored the significance of the event:

"The thunderclap of Sumter produced a startling crystallization of Northern sentiment. ... Anger swept the land. From every side came news of mass meetings, speeches, resolutions, tenders of business support, the muster of companies and regiments, the determined action of governors and legislatures."[91]

Mass meeting in New York City April 20, 1861, to support the Union.

Union leaders incorrectly assumed that only a minority of Southerners were in favor of secession and that there were large numbers of southern Unionists that could be counted on. Had Northerners realized that most Southerners favored secession, they might have hesitated at attempting the enormous task of conquering a united South.[92]

I am thinking the ceremonials

artappraiser — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:11:56 +0000

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I am thinking the ceremonials you pointed out, with the moment of silence and the other stuff, that was a trial balloon to see how fans would take the change....

Don't you ever see the

artappraiser — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:57:39 +0000

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Don't you ever see the policeman in the way you write and argue? Just like one.