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Well they would as they are a

artappraiser — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 17:13:46 +0000

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Well they would as they are a major part of The Deep State.Probably thoroughly inflitrated by Antifa before Obama left office.

This contradicts statements

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 15:33:09 +0000

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This contradicts statements by AG Barr. Using his position as AG to promote a false and divisive conspiracy theory would be a serious abuse of his position. https://t.co/dspKBfWv20
— Barb McQuade (@BarbMcQuade) June 3, 2020

Agree. Just recalled the

NCD — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 01:42:22 +0000

In reply to I think the message is not to

Agree. Just recalled the First Law of NYC Police Behavior:

1. It is easier and more satisfying to harass law abiding citizens then to confront criminals.

It's wby they gravitate to the marchers, not stopping looters. I lived in NYC for 9 years.

I think the message is not to

A Guy Called LULU — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 01:16:35 +0000

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I think the message is not to assume uncritically that the cops and other authorities are playing clean as they deal with the mess caused by a dirty cop.

The article Lulu cites does

moat — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 01:04:05 +0000

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The article Lulu cites does not contend that resources put in one place was an opportunity cost to be counted against what could have been done in other places. The implication is that the looting was an intended outcome of the response to the protest.

With Lulu on this. The

NCD — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:33:31 +0000

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With Lulu on this. The "anecdotal" evidence intuitively makes sense - this, today NYT:

....City Councilman Rory Lancman, the chairman of the Committee on the Justice System, said the police had failed to stop crimes from being committed and had been overly aggressive in controlling legitimate protest.

Mr. de Blasio and his police commissioner, Dermot F. Shea, acknowledged that the department’s response to the turmoil Monday was flawed and that widespread looting had taken place as many officers were dispatched to oversee what turned out to be largely peaceful demonstrations.......

Too many cops "controlling" peaceful protestors, and when the cops create mayhem by " controlling the battle space" with peaceful protesters, it creates mayhem and opportunities for looting elsewhere.

The Mayor and police commissioner admitted as much publicly to the NYT. There were apparently no cops in Herald Square yesterday to protect iconic department stores like Macy's.

As to historical cases of law enforcement planting violent stooges, the advent of ubiquitous cell phone and security videos make it too easy to identify people now compared to years ago.

The authors do not make a

moat — Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:09:42 +0000

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The authors do not make a clear distinction between history (as a clearly accepted set of facts) and various ways a narrative of that kind might misrepresent facts. They want the reader to be guessing what may the the truth or not. Who knows, they may be on to something. But if they are, this is the worst way to bring it forward: "I know this secret shit but I cannot tell you because it is too secret."

Fuck that. All of that sort of thing. Even if it might be correct sometimes.

I think the authors made a

A Guy Called LULU — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 23:31:15 +0000

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I think the authors made a distinction between what they presented as historical fact and what they presented as a possibility to be on watch for. I agree though that they reported assertions by protesters about whether the chicken came first or the egg that cannot, at this time and likely ever, be either proven or disproved but they were identified as claims by protesters, not as established facts.

In protests across the country over the past week, the clear actor escalating the violence generally hasn’t been a protester or even a right-wing infiltrator, but the police themselves. In rally after rally, people have observed that looting and destruction only began after police charged and beat a crowd, or fired tear gas or rubber bullets into it.

The last sentence in that quote seems counter-intuitive as to how the looting started. The looting started, IMO, the instant the looters became convinced they could get away with it. That said, there is plenty of evidence of uncalled for brutality by the police documented by legitimate journalists, some of whom became victims themselves.

That brings us to the present day. On the one hand, this history doesn’t mean that the FBI or local police are currently acting as provocateurs during the current unrest. But it does mean that such activity is clearly one avenue that is open to U.S. police forces looking to undermine protests and escalate violence.

Let me be clear: it's clear

artappraiser — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 23:10:28 +0000

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Let me be clear: it's clear that very few of the looters have anything to do with the protests, maybe they watched some of it on TV. They are coming from home to loot after the protests are over. Many in cars, pulling up to the stores of their choice. A few at the back end of the protests might be anarchist types. The majority of looting is going on is just plain looting unaffiliated with the protestors. As I just heard Cuomo clip repeated on the local news LOOK. AT THE. VIDEOS! (Cuomo wants the National Guard and De Blasio doesn't.)