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Thanks. Norton is dealing

artappraiser — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 07:34:16 +0000

Thanks. Norton is dealing mostly with the cop side of it and the nuance is most appreciated.

Actually, though, I really do have my own prejudices against the NYPD, I don't think a whole lot of a majority of them.

My suspicions mostly are about some on the other side, I was recognizing suspicions that come from my own youth, some of those SDS guys were real power hungry manipulating-the-sheeple bastards. Getting narcissist highs off of becoming considered a leader by the opposition (i.e., cops). They would sacrifice their sheeple in a NY minute to physical danger. On purpose, mostly for the power high of it.

Kabuki Analysis - Quinn

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 07:05:49 +0000

In reply to So what do those police get

Kabuki Analysis - Quinn Norton

From @quinnnorton:

The Fog of Protesthttps://t.co/3CNzmVxHhU
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) June 8, 2020

Defying police unions, NY

artappraiser — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 01:46:45 +0000

In reply to Top NYPD Curfew Cop Faulted for Mass Arrest Tactics During 2004 GOP Convention

Defying police unions, NY lawmakers ban chokeholds https://t.co/zyOBu6fEdL
— J. W. (@wolfjon4) June 9, 2020

A spanking? Can we get a good

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 21:34:26 +0000

In reply to hah, that is exactly what

A spanking? Can we get a good spanking?

hah, that is exactly what

artappraiser — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 19:31:00 +0000

In reply to UK excuses

hah, that is exactly what Brit protesters would say. No need to get violent or impassioned, no we would never do such a thing. Either that or it was that Italian guy over there who actually did the tipping. We were just gently spanking it.

UK excuses

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 14:56:45 +0000

In reply to FINALLY, just so you know I

UK excuses

Protesters Say Statue Tripped, Fell Into Water
— Paul Musgrave (@profmusgrave) June 7, 2020

Camden, NJ disbanding &

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:12:51 +0000

In reply to But with Minneapolis police

Camden, NJ disbanding & restructuring its police department in 2013 was a big success. In 2017, the city — once considered one of the most dangerous in the US — saw its murder rate fall to the lowest level since 1987, in addition to decline in other crimes https://t.co/wYwNf0xB0j
— Grace Panetta (@grace_panetta) June 7, 2020

But with Minneapolis police

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 06:14:43 +0000

In reply to and I would like to return to

But with Minneapolis police caving, have the goals changed for certain protesters in NY, LA, Louisville, DC, Atlanta, Seattle?

and I would like to return to

artappraiser — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 03:16:18 +0000

In reply to FINALLY, just so you know I

and I would like to return to Keisha Lance Bottoms address to protestors that she was seeing May 29/30 attacking CNN and environs. She knew what she was seeing, she was seeing an attempt to cause trouble in order to get media coverage. She told them that was not real protest, that they should go home and study what real protest is first--and here's some people who can give them lessons--and that they need to leave CNN alone because it is a major part of Atlanta's business. And few said that was too much to ask.

But obeying a curfew for 6 days to avoid violent attack by police is too much to ask? You can't hold your protest in the daytime? They're brave and admirable to want to take the abuse?

FINALLY, just so you know I

artappraiser — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 02:56:48 +0000

In reply to Further, PP, you seem to be

FINALLY, just so you know I am not imagining things, I run across a photo of the many peaceful protests I know have been taking place allover the city BEFORE CURFEW and NOT BEING HARASSED BY COPS:

Today I followed a “family friendly” protest from 9th St on Prospect Park W — heart of Park Slope — to Grand Army Plaza. ~1K marchers. The strollers, kids, dogs & lack of F-bombs didn’t make it any less intense pic.twitter.com/XOtJrH9uOe
— Anne Barnard (@ABarnardNYT) June 8, 2020

I know, I know, rmrd is going to say: but that's all white people! WELL, the daytime Harlem protests were like this, too! Hardly any cops around!

But the protests before curfew, they didn't get covered BECAUSE: NO VIOLENCE, NO DRAMA.

Once again: the professional protesters (headquartered in Brooklyn) saw it as their responsibility to provide a daily drama performance for the MSM news by breaking curfew ON PURPOSE TO PROVOKE POLICE TO PUT ON A SHOW. Because: police orders from Cuomo executive order are to enforce curfew! Curfew was ordered in response to looting that occurred after protesters went home! Curfew was not intended to discourage protests.

Now, one can argue about the real issue:

how best for police to send certain protesters home and off the street after a curfew when their expressed purpose is to provoke police attack.

Yes, no doubt there is a better way. But what is it?

Realize: this city has been through hell already. It is dying. Nobody's working, any kind of business is very very hard to do. It's been a perfect storm. We didn't need looting of the little we had left. On the local news, you see things like an 80-yr. old black woman get's all hazmatted up and trundles to her single-owner Latino pharmacy in da Bronx to get her medication, the one time she's been out in two weeks. And it's been looted, with not just cash register and drugs and items taken but ALSO the pharmacist's computer! It's gone, no backup. The pharmacist can't even help herself much less her customers.

The 80-yr now needs to be on hold for all day if not days. trying to reach someone anyone related to her doctor or other medical providers because: nobody answers the phone anymore. They're not on the job. All medicine is via TeleMedicine (all of a sudden! and with insurers including Medicare denying payment even though they are not supposed to. There's no one to update computer systems around anyways-they are not working._

She doesn't have a computer or a smart phone. She needs to get help from someone private even though she's supposed to social distance. Because: no libraries are open, no social workers are at the office , and no one is answering phones. They are zooming from home, the savvy MIGHT be able to get some help.

Does NYC really really have to contribute to the teevee drama at this time?

Can hipsters just let go for just this once and get their TV drama elsewhere?

We needed the curfew! We did need the protesters to go home after dark. Everyone out here in the Bronx took it very seriously. All the essential stores closed at 7 so their employees could get home by 8. We didn't need police to enforce it, we wanted it once the looting, which had been thankfully missing for two months, started one night. It worked, too, the looting stopped.