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From the link:

ocean-kat — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 03:56:25 +0000

In reply to Omar Wasow: What the 1960's

From the link:

In the primary models, I estimate the effect of protests on voting across the 1964, 1968 and 1972 presidential elections. These models compare each county to itself over time. In addition, to try and make better “apples to apples” comparisons, I also used a method called matching that only compares counties with and without protests that are very similar on variables such as percent black or percent foreign born. Another thing I looked at are counties that are 90 percent white. I find that counties close to nonviolent protest between 1960 and 1972 see increased Democratic vote share. Conversely, counties close to violent protest vote more for the Republican Party. That’s likely because, following the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Democrats tend to be seen as the party of civil rights and Republicans as the party of law and order.

Omar Wasow: What the 1960's

artappraiser — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 03:12:56 +0000

In reply to Polls show strong support for the protests — and also for how police handled them

Omar Wasow: What the 1960's protests can teach us about fighting racism today . @ Science News:

“There are two kinds of deep narratives in which we talk about protests: a rights-, or justice-, framed story or a crime story. That was true in the ’60s and that’s true now.“ — Omar Wasow
https://t.co/1s7dBGEUOX
— Science News (@ScienceNews) June 11, 2020

The Ipsos poll she cites is

artappraiser — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:07:11 +0000

In reply to Polls show strong support for the protests — and also for how police handled them

The Ipsos poll she cites is interesting as regards the brouhaha over @ NYTimes op-ed editorial. I didn't know about it.Turns out 52% of the public basically agrees with Tom Cotton (who, it should be noted, called George Floyd's death "wrongful" and pointed out in it that the rioting has nothing to do with George Floyd, whose bereaved relatives have condemned violence.) It was clear he was talking about looting and rioting, and only that, same thing here:

52% of Americans support deploying military to control violent protests: POLL

The question about summoning the military only asked about violent protests.

Now many of the people answering probably aren't aware that it's not constitutional. But Cotton's op-ed actually suggests thats a problem as he is getting into lots of detail trying to argue against that always being the case with historic examples. So if more had read it, maybe they'd know something was iffy here.

In any case, I just don't like the whole idea of making the NYTimes opinion page a liberal bubble where people cover their ears and don't even hear about an argument that perhaps 50% of the public agrees with! Where's the knowledge about reality by staying in bubble land of young lefty only agitprop?

I think the Professor has it right too. As on the same page as this poll is a cross link to another from just a few days earlier:

74% of Americans view George Floyd's death as an underlying racial injustice problem: POLL

This is a significant shift from a similar question asked just six years ago.

And I think that is much more the result of: media coverage over the last few years, and not protests so much. The support of the mostly youthful protests is simply a confirmation of this change. Not the other way around. But if they were not mostly peaceful, they could backfire big time!

My excerpt comes from after

artappraiser — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 06:25:15 +0000

In reply to Polls show strong support for the protests — and also for how police handled them

My excerpt comes from after she quotes all the positive polls about the protests as I wanted to get to what she is warning about. She goes over a lot of history as well after this, to back up her points.

Her summation:

People see Floyd’s death as a sign of a widespread problem, but they can also watch police beat protesters and deem it largely justified. And when they consider radically reforming their own law enforcement agencies, the immediate instinct seems to be: No, thanks. The jumble of views presents a serious challenge for activists who want to seize the moment and end police misconduct.

Here is a repeat entry of a new poll I just posted on another news thread on cities discussing defunding and the like.

New YouGov national poll (1,570 adults): only 25% favor cutting police funding and 53% oppose:

Do you favor or oppose cutting funding for police departments?
Favor 25%
Oppose 53%@YouGovAmerica/@YahooNews 6/9-10https://t.co/1vecgDXb6k
— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) June 11, 2020