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There was de-policing in a

artappraiser — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:25:56 +0000

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There was de-policing in a few major American cities over the past few years, and as a result, hundreds of people lost their lives. The difference between quality policing and no policing. https://t.co/EYjbRWnnNo
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) June 18, 2020

The Vox piece is actually a

artappraiser — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:08:34 +0000

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The Vox piece is actually a must read! It explains how what Biden is saying now is politically wise . It also explains how Bill Clinton's 1992 crime bill had overwhelming support "among black lawmakers and their allies" but that "Black officials are imperfect indicators of black opinion"

Not taken into account are

rmrd0000 — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:02:05 +0000

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Not taken into account are the budget adjustments that come with settling lawsuits for police abuse.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/the-financial-toll-of-police-brutality-to-cities

Given the pressure on the healthcare system in many cities, the question will be if money planned for budget increases in police departments can be diverted to other organizations serving the city like hospitals. The police, especially given the image of the unions, are not in a strong position.

[....] a June 2020 Yahoo News

artappraiser — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:00:08 +0000

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[....] a June 2020 Yahoo News/YouGov survey taken after the killing of George Floyd found that 50 percent of black respondents still said that “we need more cops on the street,” even as 49 percent of black respondents said when they personally see a police officer it makes them feel “less secure.”

Black people are not a monolith. Their opinions vary by age, gender, and class. These complex, seemingly contradictory feelings reflect the dilemma of being black in America [....]

"black people view poor

artappraiser — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:39:21 +0000

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"black people view poor policing as an aspect of a broader state failure to provide adequate public goods and services”

From a great @arcwrites look at the complexities of African-American opinion on policing issues. https://t.co/ZVK6XHEsHk
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

He also had this to say today

artappraiser — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:33:57 +0000

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He also had this to say today:

The theoretical debate about divesting from police to invest in social services has not yet really made contact with the reality that unless Trump/McConnell change their tune we’re just gonna get big cuts to everuthing. https://t.co/aVksPgaAfK
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

He also has this to say about NYC's police earlier:

It’s no secret that the NYC-centricity of their media can be distorting.

So I think it’s worth noting that NYC’s crime rate is far below average, its cops per capita are above average, and its cops per square mile are *way* above average.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

If all of America was as safe and as heavily policed as New York, I’d have a different view of things. But then again, the NYPD (despite constantly acting like thugs and as assholes) has a way below average rate of police killings too.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

New York is big enough and its police department in particular is so enormous that it’s worth thinking a lot about them.

But in general, reasoning about New York won’t give solutions for Dallas or Detroit or Des Moines and that’s true of policing too.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

Yglesis points out police are

artappraiser — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:22:15 +0000

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Yglesis points out police are a much smaller part of local government budgets than many think:

Tens of thousands of likes for this ... police are 4% of state/local spending and way less than that of federal.

Getting people to believe the police are *the* thing standing between America and social democracy has to be a Koch Brothers psyop. https://t.co/8avzTvtvQp
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

In many cities (including Chicago) the public schools are a separate fiscal entity from the city, which is why police end up looking like such a large share of the local spend. https://t.co/M8r3huhe6y
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020

Consequently a statement like “Chicago spends eleventy zillion more dollars on cops than on youth services” ends up being true because the main services provided to Chicago youth are provided by the public school system on a separate budget. But aggregate ed$ > cop$ everywhere.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 17, 2020