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Reading sev Malcolm Gladwell

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:24:15 +0000

In reply to Atlanta police call out sick over charges in fatal shooting

Reading sev Malcolm Gladwell books, and the breakdown's useful.

1) you have a standoff, friendly enough, that lasts 30-35 minutes before 15 Ir fewer critical seconds. All players are tired, observance worn out by the time they actually need it (incl the suspect doing leg stands, etc. while worrying about going to jail.

2) Gladwell talks about experience pilots making bizarre wrong decisions when tired. Same applies here to all players. Adrenalin is exhausting too for the Black guy - He must be scared shitless despite being sleepy And groggy.

3) there are 2 pieces of new info in 35 minutes - whether the car was stolen, and whether he's got a record. It seems unlikely the 1st cop would let him sleep it off, so it's really deciding when's the time to cuff him over an excrutiatingly polite charade - and everyone knows it. Still, what options Are there?

4) how to reduce the fight or flight - can they ask a suspect to cuff him/herself while maintaining strategic distance? Seems unlikely in many cases - refusal then means harder to subdue except through tasers or guns. Some kind of bolero around legs seems less medically dangerous, but easier said than Done, plus i dont know requirements to inform before cuffing someone -can it be surprise, or only with information?

5) the amount of man-hours spent on such cases Is incredible. To then go downtown, book and file a report, gonzo.

Cop Accused in Rayshard

artappraiser — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 23:39:55 +0000

In reply to Atlanta police call out sick over charges in fatal shooting

Cop Accused in Rayshard Brooks Killing Tries to Get Out of Jail Due to Prosecutor's Dubious 'Facts': Documentshttps://t.co/odT4X768LM pic.twitter.com/XgYvGBxRAB
— Law & Crime (@lawcrimenews) June 22, 2020

re: convicted child abuser

artappraiser — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 04:33:48 +0000

In reply to Theyre not Keystone Kops

re: convicted child abuser

That reminded me--all Atlanta cops probably have the notorious "Atlanta child murders" the back of their mind, where PD was constantly accused of not caring that lots of black children were disappearing and being killed. I looked it up and learned something I didn't know > cases reopened March 2019 hoping for answers:

Wayne Williams, an Atlanta native who was 23 years old at the time of the last murder, was arrested, tried, and convicted of two of the adult murders and sentenced to two consecutive life terms. Police subsequently have attributed a number of the child murders to Williams, although he has not been charged in any of those cases, and Williams himself maintains his innocence, although the killings ceased after his arrest. In March 2019, the Atlanta police, under the order of Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, reopened the cases in hopes that new technology will lead to a conviction for the murders that were never resolved.[1]

As that Black Georgia Sheriff

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 03:36:35 +0000

In reply to So Atlanta represents the

As that Black Georgia Sheriff noted, when you put 1 cuff on, an apprehendee will flee, fight, or comply. This guy fought and fled. A payraise wont help if cops think acting professional with dangerous criminals just sets them up for murder charges. How much of a payraise Is worth 20 years in jail And losing your job?

Theyre not Keystone Kops

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 03:19:00 +0000

In reply to They had his vehicle license

Theyre not Keystone Kops

They spent 30 minutes being very polite and professional to a very drunk & confused convict on parole who was drunk driving and fell asleep behind the wheel.

Until the last 15 seconds when the convict flipped the cop on the ground and stole his taser, the cops were doing everything i'd hope George Floyd's arrester would do.aybe také his keys and let him sleep it off in the back seat, but leaving a drunk convicted child abuser out gives the police some liability.

Yes, they could let the guy go who was firing the taser at them. How do you codify this response? If he opened the door of a car in the drivethru line and took a Passenger hostage with a taser point blank to the neck, what Is your Plan B?

[they had his *vehicle* and his *driver's licence*. Did you watch the whole video? It took 7 days for Bernard Goetz to turn himself in in New Hampshire after he walked away thru a NYC metro tunnel.]

So Atlanta represents the

rmrd0000 — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 02:04:24 +0000

In reply to I have seen you state that

So Atlanta represents the situation in the entire country?

CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/opinions/police-unions-impede-reform-clarke/index.html

NPR

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/10/874246771/the-power-of-police-unions

USATODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/12/george-floyd-police-unions-stand-way-reform-experts-say/5347136002/

THE CONVERSATION

https://theconversation.com/police-unions-are-one-of-the-biggest-obstacles-to-transforming-policing-140227

I stand by my statement.

Edit to add:

In Atlanta, Mayor Lance Bottoms got the police a pay raise. When officers are held to account, the police officers do a work slowdown

They had his vehicle license

rmrd0000 — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 01:23:03 +0000

In reply to He stole a taser, and turned

They had his vehicle license to track him down

He was shot in the back

Edit to add:

Your question brings to mind police shows where the detectives in headquarters know where a felon is located, but instead of having police near the location apprehend the felon, they go running out of the station, get in a vehicle with siren blaring all the way across town to put the felon in cuffs. There are plenty of police officers in Atlanta who could aid in a pursuit.

When they ran his name (i

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 18:48:08 +0000

In reply to Yeah, especially if you

When they ran his name (i think before he found his licence), i heard a big bell or whoop-whoop, which made me think it was a warning of some problem detected.

He stole a taser, and turned

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 18:44:42 +0000

In reply to No diversion. No reason for a

He stole a taser, and turned and fired at the cop. How should the cop have handled it? What if the guy hopped in one of the cars in the queues - what should the cop do then? What if the guy hopped in his own car and drove off? What if he escaped out the back of Wendy's - how to respond then?

Cops have to have a reason for a course if action, even if it's doing nothing. They have to have a followup the suspect's next possible move. What are the specific guidances for the next similar situation? If the guy died of an overdose sitting in his car, what would police responsibility be?

I have seen you state that

artappraiser — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 18:43:17 +0000

In reply to Did the stupid fuck run over

I have seen you state that police unions are the main problem and nothing will be solved without tending to them.

Well, a reminder from the Serpico news thread

Collective bargaining by public unions in Georgia is illegal. No public union in Georgia is powerful -- not police, teachers, firefighters, etc.
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) June 18, 2020