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The tense and high-stakes

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 04:22:28 +0000

In reply to Democratic mayors accuse federal agents of escalating violence against civilians

The tense and high-stakes game of chicken between Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler and Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty keeps accelerating, and I'm not so sure they can both walk away from this with their careers intact. @tessriski reports. https://t.co/HmmYVh0SgL
— Aaron Mesh (@AaronMesh) July 24, 2020

Philadelphia's Top Prosecutor

artappraiser — Thu, 23 Jul 2020 03:33:42 +0000

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Philadelphia's Top Prosecutor Is Prepared to Arrest Federal Agents https://t.co/uqjnWfiDj0
— Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) July 22, 2020

I think I've never seen a

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:46:14 +0000

In reply to Thank you, Marcy. That was my

I think I've never seen a person that's more sarcastic than Painter:

The President ordering federal emergency intervention in the states against their will is not authorized under the United States Constitution or federal law.
Perhaps under Article 48 of the Constitution of the Weimar Republic in 1933.
But not in the USA.
https://t.co/C9VNmhEwER
— Richard W. Painter (@RWPUSA) July 22, 2020

Thank you, Marcy. That was my

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:13:30 +0000

In reply to Far too many journos are

Thank you, Marcy. That was my impression immediately even when it was just about Portland and it still is. Constitutional crisis: NOT. Just bullshit distraction constitutional crisis to look tough on crime for election campaign purposes.

They'll disappear sooner or later like the ones in DC did. That probably happened because the polls about Trump's bible in front of the church act were terrible. So time to get rid of the goons that went along with that whole show.

Of course all the constitutional lawyers tweeting jump right on it with outrage, it's like their dream case. One clue for me, though, I didn't see a peep from Obama. And he was once a constitutional law professor.

It's all kabuki. The protesters do kabuki, kafaybe I am seeing DOJ sending professional wrestlers do kabuki/kafaybe back as long as they can before stopped by courts or just bad polling.

It actually sickens me sometimes looking at tweets commenting on protest videos, no matter whether they are coming from pro-protester or pro-cop. So often they sound just like someone commenting on a boxing match, so many people really get into the bloodlust action, who's winning in each bout, etc. Disgusting because all purpose is lost. What were these people protesting again? Sort of forgotten, only the kabuki left.

(I didn't even like some of this type of thing in the Hong Kong protests, when the radicals would do their thing, their act, like in a shopping mall, people would applaud, some became celebs. They became professional protesters. Where did that get them? What I think worked better, frightening the leaders in China, the mass protests, mass of people with umbrellas, that type of thing. But that's just me.)

But yeah, the Barr army is a cynical political ploy.

Like I also said before--if protesters carry it too far and keep attacking Federal property in response though, I can easily see Democrats in Congress voting for a Federal police force down the line to protect Federal property. Especially if police forces in cities are cut in response to "Defund the Police" movement.

A reminder about a name that has to do with protection of federal offices: TIMOTHY MC. VEIGH. That wasn't kabuki.

Far too many journos are

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:48:23 +0000

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Far too many journos are parroting DOJ claims about what they're about to with their Operation Federal Occupation, when DOJ claims are so obviously bullshit a 6-year old could call them out.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 22, 2020

U.S. Homeland Security

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 03:31:20 +0000

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U.S. Homeland Security confirms three units sent paramilitary officers to Portland

https://t.co/oJre49I7z7
— Mike Walker (@New_Narrative) July 22, 2020

And if the Deputy Director of

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 03:06:33 +0000

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And if the Deputy Director of this new federal force will say on national TV that what these officers did was legal because "this wasn't an arrest," that raises serious concerns about what his officers are doing out on the street. When the cameras are on, and when they’re not.
— Andrew Crespo (@AndrewMCrespo) July 22, 2020

The Department of Homeland

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 02:59:37 +0000

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The Department of Homeland Security is a creepy name that sends an authoritarian message to its staff.
— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) July 22, 2020

considering Shaub's background, I take this more seriously than if Joe Schmo said it.

Our Bloomberg Opinion legal

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 01:27:27 +0000

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Our Bloomberg Opinion legal expert, Noah Feldman, assesses whether Trump's "stormtrooper" force in Portland is illegal (TLDR: Probably yes, but he might not get punished for it).https://t.co/PYrlGM0elh
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) July 22, 2020

New: DOJ filed a response to

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 01:21:59 +0000

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New: DOJ filed a response to the ACLU's motion for an order shielding journalists & legal observers from being arrested or forced to disperse in Portland. Per this filing, there are currently 114 federal law enforcement officers protecting fed facilities https://t.co/ZUmLCOYq8t pic.twitter.com/OYeZLjSxs2
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020

DOJ argues reporters and legal observers should have to comply with orders to disperse: "The press is free to observe and report on the destruction of that property, but it is not entitled to special, after-hours access to that property in the face of lawful order to disperse." pic.twitter.com/ZykkgDTA9C
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020

For context, here's the TRO/PI motion filed by the ACLU on behalf of journalists and legal observers monitoring demonstrations in Portland: https://t.co/kvJXeSZQ9D

They're seeking an order that mirrors one a judge already entered re: Portland police pic.twitter.com/USMplmXvSo
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020

DOJ is arguing the harms articulated by reporters/legal observers is too speculative, that they should have to comply with orders to disperse, and that it's too burdensome to ask fed law enforcement officers to distinguish between press/legal observers and protesters pic.twitter.com/CgBITV3gpq
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020

On a related note, earlier today from @Haleaziz: “Disturbing And Demoralizing”: DHS Employees Are Worried The Portland Protest Response Is Destroying Their Agency’s Reputationhttps://t.co/8PYvFR9Te8
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020

The judge will be holding a hearing on the latest motion for a TRO/PI in the ACLU's Portland litigation on Thursday afternoon.
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020

Meanwhile, in the separate case the Oregon AG filed against the feds over the activity in Portland, there's a hearing tomorrow on a TRO motion: https://t.co/IqnsAkpANp

That seeks an order:
- barring detention/arrest w/out probable cause or warrant
- forcing feds to ID themselves pic.twitter.com/OVhtWwVhS6
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 22, 2020