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Moat is a sensible citizen

artappraiser — Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:50:22 +0000

Moat is a sensible citizen amidst chaos. Are there any more of you out there right now if the question.

Federal places should be

moat — Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:17:55 +0000

Federal places should be protected with Federal resources. It is the lack of cooperation and coordination with local authorities that is making the situation harder that it already was already.

With the story about an office of the Democratic party being burned down, a different kind of violence shows up.

As a polity, we will have to decide what must not happen. It is getting pretty tough in the face of so much rejection.

Money back guaranteed!!! Even

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 04:55:36 +0000

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Money back guaranteed!!! Even Hitler didnt offer such a deal.

And the now forgotten

NCD — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:04:41 +0000

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And the now forgotten caravans of MS 13 can use $100 Home Depot saws to cut through the Great Wall in 15 minutes! Will it last 1000 years?

I think this pure genuis and

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 23:35:53 +0000

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I think this pure genuis and all American genuis, strikes me as THE WAY to handle it, first legally make them obey the laws of staying on their own turf and then make fun of them.

Sorry but if the spectacle of a ragtag band of savvy Home Depot shoppers armed with $50 leaf blowers choking out federal stormtroopers with their own tear gas doesn’t fill you with joy, you’re a bad patriot who hates America, sorry I don’t make the rules https://t.co/mVuk6TcYKa
— Jay Willis (@jaywillis) July 25, 2020

Ridicule is what hurts Trump, ridicule is always the thing that works best against him. The Never Trumpers know this.

Taking him seriously, getting all het up that this is a "constitutional crisis" is exactly the wrong thing to do, it's what he wants. It just became clear to me now seeing this, that is why blowing this up as a "constitutional crisis" just didn't sit right with me. It's bullshit as always. And should be called out as such. Extra earnest anger against Trump only feeds what he wants. To do so is educational about what our whole system is about but unfortunately it also feeds the goals of the "fire devil" We are Americans, we don't have to fall for the kayfabe, we are a cynical people and can make fun of it.

Trump is "protecting" his

NCD — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 23:03:32 +0000

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Trump is "protecting" his chances for reelection with a culture war meme of "law and order".

He could care less about the building, the truth, the Constitution, the separation of powers, the rule of law from which he has claimed immunity, your national monuments he has paid billions to bulldoze swaths across for his stupid wall, controlling the virus with testing, except for testing anyone who comes in contact with him, or education and schools when he has said he loves the uneducated.

Everything he has ever done, promoted, said or paid for in his life is for his own benefit. We are talking about a man who has lied 20,000 times as president and stole from his own charity.

just ran across-here's good

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:46:55 +0000

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just ran across-here's good background for what I am babbling about

“Robert Tsai ... said the nation’s founders explicitly left local policing within the jurisdiction of local authorities.
He questioned whether the federal agents had the right to extend their operations blocks away from the buildings they are protecting.” https://t.co/dRjTCWOM7j
— Robert L. Tsai (@robertltsai) July 25, 2020

I find it interesting to

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:49:12 +0000

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I find it interesting to really look at what's going on here objectively and legally

I've read reports explaining how when they've gone a couple blocks from Federal property chasing demonstrators and took them off the street and the argument was presented that it is legal for them to hunt down attackers who have attacked and are planning to re-attack, but it is really stretching the argument legally and most see it as absurd. AND I note in photos I looked at of last night's demonstrations, they seemed to be staying behind their fence and only attacked when demonstrators where trying to bring down the fence and breech it. So it seems Sec. Wolf has probably seen the light on issuing orders. That they know wassup with what this particular force.

That doesn't mean that the president can't send all matter of Federal forces to help local law enforcement as they have always done i.e. ATF, FBI, ICE and even National Guard. And furthermore, if a prosecutor or judge says local law enforcement is itself breaking the law, they can go in even though local authorities are not okay with it.

The only difference with these Homeland Security guys is that they are an unidentified goon force not approved by Congress.

Look at the flip side of a really dangerous group planning to attack federal property. I.E., Timothy McVeigh was not working alone but with a large group planning to attack again right away. Do you want to rely only on local police or the local rent-a-cop agency to protect the buildings where Federal workers are still going? Or do you shut it down until you find all the perps?

Then I went back to thinking about Portland itself. That site that the protesters have been vandalizing and the goons are supposedly protecting includes the Federal Courthouse. What if they got more violent. In the daytime, harrassing people going to court? Do we want justice process to be shut down because protesters feel the need to attack? And even to this point: if the goons were arresting people on Federal charges, they don't get justice because the Federal courthouse is shut down because it's always being attacked....

It's a gnarly issue, protesting on Federal property. First, it's important to remember that since 9/11 a lot of these buildings have high security. Second, the property belongs to all citizens, not just those angry about this or that.

Not if they stay on Federal

artappraiser — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:21:25 +0000

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Not if they stay on Federal property to protect it from attack which is thing they can do under current law.

Has a tangy brownshirt flavor

moat — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:09:58 +0000

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Has a tangy brownshirt flavor.

I hope this is not a precursor to political violence. With mass evictions leading to extensive regions of homeless people coming soon, civil unrest may go well beyond looting commodities and orgiastic vandalism.