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The argument made by law

rmrd0000 — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 19:58:36 +0000

In reply to A Family Cries ‘Justice for Hannah.’ Will Its Rural Town Listen?

The argument made by law enforcement is universal. People are told that they are being protected by police and it would be a shame if the community was put at risk because law enforcement felt that they were under siege. The community faces a dilemma, do you demand accountability, or do you dealt with other issues that are considered priorities? Police unions and most police officers are reluctant to turn over control of their operations to the local citizenry.

Then there are "sovereign

NCD — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 18:34:53 +0000

In reply to Sounds like a plan maybe!

Then there are "sovereign citizen" supporting rural sheriffs who say they won't enforce gun laws.

At a certain tipping point, the government can be so full of the corrupt, the unethical, the malevolent, the toady, the ignorant and the power mad - nobody honest would want to be a part of it. It's Trump's fantasy, and the Base is rooting for him.

Program that could help with

NCD — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 18:24:37 +0000

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Program that could help with our national cop problem:

During the first 2 years cops must be in probationary status. In order to improve their human relations and communication skills they spend one day a week, not as cops, but positions as auxiliaries, trainees, 'students', or interns depending on site, in these sort of settings. Site clients would not know they are cops:

1. Drug rehabilitation centers, group therapy settings, as assistant to the professional leading the sessions, or as an client interviewer.

2. Food bank, in direct contact with customers.

3. Home for the mentally ill, as assistant to qualified personnel.

4. Prison group therapy session under direction of a qualified licensed psychologist running the program.

5. Child protective services, participate in case reviews and discussion of handling of cases with case supervisors.

The cops would not identified as cops to clients, or staff (staff-to the extent possible). The communication skills of the officer would be graded by the site supervisor, with documentation. Acceptable performance would be necessary for permanent addition to the permanent police force.

Sounds like a plan maybe!

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 18:17:26 +0000

In reply to Program that could help with

Sounds like a plan maybe! Eventually the culture might change that way? Especially if after finishing this journeyman kind of period, they were paired with decent cops.

Just caught my eye reading something else at my hometown newspaper, story where this black officer hired in 2015 @ 25 yrs. old, In the last five years, Mensah has killed three people in the line of duty — Alvin Cole in February, Anderson in 2016 and Antonio Gonzales in 2015. Families got an attorney to sue, and he gets left on duty, the Common Council of the suburb town had to rule to have him suspended...In the resolution, the council asked the city administrator and police chief to "effectuate such a change as quickly as possible".

https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/news/wauwatosa/2020/07/15/officer-joseph-mensah-suspended-wauwatosa-police-and-fire-commission/5446849002/

That particular case might be unfair, not known yet for sure, still seems the point is they always wait until after the fact when someone from outside complains/sues.

I like to keep in mind there are still those cops on forces who never use their firearm their entire career.

[....] Ms. Fizer’s relatives

artappraiser — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 11:51:50 +0000

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[....] Ms. Fizer’s relatives said that a divide in money and class between them and authorities in Pettis County had made them feel like second-rung citizens. Ms. Fizer was not rich, and members of her family had been in and out of prison and struggled with drug addictions.

“If you’re on the outer fringes of society you’d know,” Amy Fizer said. “They pull you over. They do what they want, when they want.”

Some of Ms. Fizer’s friends and relatives said they had already been outraged by Mr. Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis police custody, which happened about three weeks before Ms. Fizer was shot [....]