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Navalny posts on Instagram

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:34:47 +0000

Navalny posts on Instagram

(2/2) Post reads: "Hello, this is Navalny. I've been missing you :) I still can't do almost anything on my own, but yesterday I was able to breathe on my own... I didn't even use the simplest of valves in my throat. A wonderful process underestimated by many. Recommended."
— BBC Monitoring (@BBCMonitoring) September 15, 2020

Novichok confirmed.

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:31:57 +0000

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Novichok confirmed.

BREAKING: Specialist labs in France and Sweden test new blood samples from ⁦@navalny⁩ and confirm that he was poisoned with Novichok. It’s now time for the EU to apply crippling Magnitsky sanctions to the top officials in the Putin regime responsible https://t.co/pBwKdFBONu
— Bill Browder (@Billbrowder) September 14, 2020

Some good (and grim) detail

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:29:28 +0000

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Some good (and grim) detail from one of the creators of Novichok about how Navalny may have been poisoned and how it differs from Skripal https://t.co/rAdO5illOj
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) September 5, 2020

I read quite a few of the

A Guy Called LULU — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 04:42:56 +0000

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I read quite a few of the comments the day I posted MoA's blog. Circe is not the only one who disagreed in part or in whole with B's piece. Most disagreements were expressed intelligently and added reasonable ideas or additional evidence and very few of them made assholes of themselves in the way they did so. Your take on this particular blog is wrong as is demonstrated but you can be expected to refer back to it sometime in the future as one of many extraneous claims you make when your assertion doesn't make sense so you start slinging unrelated crap.

Lulu's "someone should have

NCD — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 04:39:09 +0000

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Lulu's "someone should have warned the Führer" loyalty to Putin is worthy of admiration in this age of skeptics, apathy and cynicism.

Written w scare quotes around

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 04:03:00 +0000

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Written w scare quotes around "poison" to discount any question of Putin, start the confusion and doubt you mean?

These guys are hacks, Lulu, they're serving someone. Their supposed search for truth is really to did down far enough to find a handful of dust to toss in people's eyes, make them doubt at least a little. Still questioning the Malaysian Airliner? Putin's Little Green Men? Those bullets at Maidan? Every time there's a quick alternate explanation, however unlikely and daft, and for the true believers they cling to these alternates for years. Poor Russia, poor Putin, just misunderstood, come, look down here, I'll show you, others a perfectly logical reason why two Russians want to Salisbury *twice* in the rain, nothing to do with that quirky sickness, not "poison" mind you, maybe that guy and his daughter didn't take their vitamins, caught a draft - why blame Moscow every time a Brit gets sick? Weather's horrid over here, always a chill, plus he was so old...

PS - read the MoA comments and you see all the Putin apologists the site serves. Great conspiracy theorist all (except Circe)

Your faith that you can

A Guy Called LULU — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 03:52:17 +0000

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Your faith that you can ferret out the unquestionable truth about an event the moment it is announced must be comforting and now you have positive proof that you were right all along because Alex Tiffin said that the BBC said that Germany said that there is "unequivocal proof" that Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny was poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent because, well, because Germany said. That is what we can know with confidence. When a government report says what you want it to say you are cock-sure that it is correct. Especially when the report concerns any aspect of foreign relations, in this time when lies and propaganda flow abundantly from every government, [That is one statement I will assert as a proven fact] I see no reason to change my long time well established skepticism. That skepticism leads to checking out other ideas and other opinions. MoA did not say that the Russian government had been shown to be innocent, only that it was still an open question which, at the time it certainly was.

Maybe German government is way closer to pure than is ours but when considering the reliability of government proclamations I expect they have their equivalent of Comey or Bolten or Clapper or Flynn or Mueller or Brennan or Powell or Casey or Gina Haspel or Petraus or Pompeo or Michael Hayden or Peter Stzok or Barr or Wolfe or Perle or Hoover or McCabe or Kissinger or Trump or ... ... But maybe I am wrong, Germany's government does seem to be functional and they have at least taken a break so far this century from trying to dominate great parts of the world militarily.

The MoA post was written well before Germany's conclusion was released. It does not make any conclusion that Russia did not poison Navalny, if in fact he was even poisoned, which, at that time hadn't been "proven". It analyzes available information including statements from the Russians and shows how there appeared to be other possibilities than the Russian government being directly responsible, including the possibility that Navalny's murder was by one of the Russian oligarchs that Navalny is lionized for exposing as criminals, some of whom are apposed to Putin and some who really hate him who are now sitting fat in London. Even if your certainty is now justified it is totally unjustified to assert that what was blogged by MoA before the report is somehow now proven to have been illegitimate to have even considered when it was first published before Germany announced its conviction of Russia.

You just are not capable, are you, of leaving off the ad hominem.

Navalny Novichok, Lulu -

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:33:00 +0000

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Navalny Novichok, Lulu -

your fucked up Putin-appeasing sources wrong again.

Any comment?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54002880

BBC News - Navalny 'poisoned with Novichok' say German Government.

I get that it's inarguably the Russian State who's responsible.

However, would Putin really sanction this given the fallout last time, or are the FSB acting themselves?https://t.co/yNIFZrz1uX
— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) September 2, 2020

I pay attention to each

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:15:24 +0000

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I pay attention to each poisoning, bonesawing or when Rocket Man purportedly feeds his brother to the dogs. Mainly as some tea leaves on how it will affect actions in Ukraine, Syria, US elections, UK and Belarus - not so much expecting change in the domestic front, but he does seem to feel some pressure. Rocket Man in a coma, instead of doughboy, his sister looks like she could be a real efficient ball cutter - we may quickly start looking back to the good old days when he just smiled a lot and launched the occasional missile.

Since no one in the west is

artappraiser — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:59:24 +0000

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Since no one in the west is agitating much less planning to go to war with Putin, I fail to see the reason to spend so much time deconstructing Russian poisoning stories as if Dick Cheney is still in charge of things and having someone create them. Is doing so just a longing to return to the simplicity of the Cold War and its spies? Do these people still think we have such a world?

Hello, it's 2020, there's a pandemic altering where different economic classes live and the whole travel industry is devastated much less airlines, China is doing ethnic cleansing and India and Pakistan always at each other's throats, global warming is causing all kinds chaos like fire, floods, famine, locust plagues, hurricanes...the restaurant business worldwide has been killed, Syria and Venezuela are empty countries, etc. And the U.S.A. has a narcissist fool in charge who though he likes leaders like Putin, Kim, Duterte and Erdogan pleases no one serious in foreign policy. Especially not the CIA nor the Pentagon, who are considered his enemy, the "Deep State."