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The whole fucking thing there

artappraiser — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 07:44:06 +0000

The whole fucking thing there (in Kenosha) was a horrific tragedy.

In the 70's we used to make fun of the "outside agitator" claim by conservatives in the late 60's and early 70's about college campus unrest.

But this is a case where I read enough to believe that really happened here. I followed the story of the riots closely and know the area well enough. The police actually shut down the main incoming highways with roadblocks but too late and not soon enough. Both anarchists (including from northern California,) and the right wing groups (the latter of which Rittenhouse was a happy enabler) made it in through via state highways, mostly coming from the Chicago area, and together basically incited enough to end with the downtown being burned down. A damn shame, too, as the town was just starting to come back.

They are never going to have a decent police department there without a tax base paying for it. (Nor for "social workers" if that's your preference. Which comes to mind that the riots also ended up with severe damage to some state government office buildings there, mostly filled with "social worker" types, which were specifically located there instead of Milwaukee, to feed the revival of the town.)

radicaledward

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 23:41:21 +0000

In reply to "You can’t endorse spasms of

radicaledward

Writes Wolf ·Nov 11

As someone who would define their politics as antifascist (or at least anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian) and lives in the Minneapolis neighborhood that was burned down last year, I can say that it was not fun or exciting. It was not fun to watch people from the suburbs drive 60mph down my street to join the riots. It was especially not fun to go online and see all the people celebrating the fact that my neighborhood was on fire.

It was not fun seeing people with no connection to the area describe property damage as unimportant. Never mind that most of these buildings were populated by immigrant owned businesses employing people in the community. Never mind that those buildings won't be rebuilt for at least another year, which means...

"You can’t endorse spasms of

artappraiser — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:18:17 +0000

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"You can’t endorse spasms of directionless violence and then complain when some of it plays out in a way that you hadn’t intended. This seems totally obvious to me, and yet so many out there want to both condone riots and condemn their chaotic outcomes."https://t.co/24CjDxj51n
— Angel Eduardo (@StrangelEdweird) November 12, 2021

During the Civil Rights era,

rmrd0000 — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:35:22 +0000

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During the Civil Rights era, white men killed other white people involved in Ciil Rights protests

Reverend James Reeb

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718647599/the-murder-of-the-rev-james-reeb

Viola Liuzzo

https://www.biography.com/activist/viola-gregg-liuzzo

buffalo whatever's tweet is nonsensical

Agree with you a very

NCD — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 00:15:46 +0000

In reply to well if you notice upthread,

Agree with you a very irreponsible Mom.

But Waukesha County Republicans gave Wendy an invite, and a standing ovation, its at the Newsweek link. They thanked her for her son 'fighting back.'

I'm unaware of BLM giving an invite and a standing ovation to a Mom of a son who murdered 2 unarmed people.

There is no bottom of the barrel for the Republican Party. There isn't even a barrel. That's just the fact, don't blame the messenger.

well if you notice upthread,

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:41:15 +0000

In reply to You should at a minimum,

well if you notice upthread, I did share the info. from Law & Crime that she was smart enough to agree to hire O.J. Simpson's jury consultant. So there's that. He's black, you know; also he famously won his case with her on his team.

Like I said, seems to me this was a gang fight between two hoodlum gangs on street illegally after curfew. I will add that one of the members, on trial now, seems to have a very irresponsible mother who encourages him to go across state lines with his rifle and march around after curfew where "protesters" are also marching around after curfew, looking for trouble, doing things like lighting dumpsters on fire and rolling them around a gas station.

Don't miss where I underlined above where there is another perp involved, Ziminsky, who actually fired the first gunshot, who has not gone on trial yet but apparently is set to, as he has plead not guilty as well, to 3 charges

Also what I see: just another example of how NCD takes every fucking opportunity to turn nearly every story he can into the following moral lesson: Republicans are bad. And that you do that has always made me question whether you are really as intelligent as you appear. Because I think like this: partisans are stupid. i really hope you don't suspect there were actual good guys invovled in this situation.

You should at a minimum,

NCD — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 21:28:39 +0000

In reply to Glad I'm not on the jury,

You should at a minimum, thank his mother, Wendy, for raising such a courageous son to defend Republicans.

She received a standing ovation after he killed the lefty terrorists from the Waukesha County GOP women last year.

Mothers who could only hope and pray they are blessed with sons who will have the resolve to have straw purchasing friends buy them guns illegally so they can kill people threatening not only them, but Republican women everywhere.

Wendy in center. God Bless her!

Glad I'm not on the jury,

artappraiser — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 19:49:10 +0000

In reply to Kenosha Shooting 2, Kyle Rittenhouse

Glad I'm not on the jury, sounds to me like not much more than a great bunch of guys allaround, two gangs out after curfew looking for trouble, i.e., let's have a rumble since there's not enough police around, and yes, that it had little to do with Black lives, it's an anti-policing white gang vs. a pro-policing white gang

[....] But in cross-examination, Rittenhouse said that he knew the man, Joseph Rosenbaum, was unarmed when he ran at the teenager. Rittenhouse said he pointed his rifle at Rosenbaum in an attempt to deter him, adding that he knew pointing a rifle at someone is dangerous.

"He was chasing me, I was alone, he threatened to kill me earlier that night. I didn't want to have to shoot him," Rittenhouse testified. "I pointed it at him because he kept running at me and I didn't want him to chase me."

He said he feared Rosenbaum, who did not touch his body at all that night, would take his gun and kill people.

[....]

Rittenhouse told jurors that Rosenbaum threatened to kill him twice that night. In one instance, Rosenbaum screamed, "if I catch any of you f**kers alone, I'll f**king kill you," according to Rittenhouse.

At one point in the night, he became separated from the other armed people in his group. He walked toward a parking lot and said Rosenbaum, hiding behind a vehicle, "ambushed me." Rosenbaum began running at him and cornered him, he said.

Rittenhouse testified that he heard another man, Joshua Ziminski, tell Rosenbaum to "get him and kill him." Rosenbaum started to chase the teenager in a parking lot and threw a plastic bag at him, but Rittenhouse said he believed at the time that the thrown object was a chain.

Rittenhouse then heard a gunshot behind him, he said.

Police detectives testified earlier in the trial that Ziminski fired that initial shot in the air, and Ziminski has separately pleaded not guilty to three charges related to that night.

Seconds after that gunshot, Rittenhouse turned and saw Rosenbaum, 36, coming at him with his arms out front, he said. "I remember his hand on the barrel of my gun," Rittenhouse testified. He then shot Rosenbaum four times, killing him.

Rittenhouse then tried to run down the street to where police were situated to turn himself in, he testified, but a "mob was chasing me." While running, he became lightheaded and fell to the ground, he said.

An unknown person jumped at him trying to kick him, and Rittenhouse fired at the person twice. "I thought if I were to be knocked out, he would have stomped my face in if I didn't fire."

Anthony Huber, 26, then came at him, struck him with a skateboard, and grabbed his gun, he testified. Rittenhouse shot him once in the chest, killing him.

Finally, he saw Gaige Grosskreutz lunge at him and point a pistol at his head, so Rittenhouse shot him, he testified. Grosskreutz was wounded.

[....]

On cross-examination from Assistant District Attorney Binger, Rittenhouse acknowledged he used deadly force in shooting at four people that night.

"I didn't know if it was going to kill them but I used deadly force to stop the threat that was attacking me," he said.

He also said he knew he was not old enough to legally buy a firearm and so he asked his friend Dominick Black to do so on his behalf. He selected an AR-15-style weapon because "I thought it looked cool," he testified.

He said his legal understanding was that he could possess a rifle in Wisconsin but not a handgun. "If I could have legally carried a handgun, I would have carried a handgun ... instead of a rifle," he testified.

Much of the cross-examination centered on why Rittenhouse brought an AR-15-style rifle into an already volatile situation in Kenosha. Rittenhouse explained he did so to protect himself, even as he said he didn't necessarily think he would be in danger.

"I brought the gun for my protection, but I didn't think I would have to use the gun and end up defending myself," he testified. He also said he did not think carrying a rifle would "cause a negative reaction" among the crowd.

At another point, the jury was shown video from that night in which Rittenhouse falsely told the camera he was an EMT. "I told him I was an EMT but I wasn't," Rittenhouse testified.

In the video, a man wearing yellow pants tells Rittenhouse that the teenager had just pointed a gun at him for standing on a vehicle. Rittenhouse responds in the video, "Yeah I did."

In court, he testified that he had not actually pointed his weapon at the man and said his admission on video was "sarcasm."

"I thought that would be the best way to avoid conflict," Rittenhouse testified. "I thought the best thing to do would be to walk away instead of getting into some argument."

Jurors began to tire and took fewer notes during the afternoon cross-examination, a courtroom pool reporter noted.

[....]

from Kyle Rittenhouse testifies he knew Joseph Rosenbaum was unarmed but acted in self-defense during fatal shooting by Eric Levenson, Brad Parks and Carma Hassan @ CNN.com, Nov. 10 (note they also have lots of testimony videos on that page)

also see

This is Joseph Rosenbaum. He was killed by Kyle Rittenhouse acting in self defense.
He was a convicted pedophile. pic.twitter.com/uFvEAWQ7Nb
— Francisco d'Anconia (@moraltreason) November 1, 2021

and

Funny how their person who shot this guy is labeled a “white supremacist”https://t.co/Ww7uNXvLGW
— Following Science (@Asuther42866916) November 11, 2021

Kyle Rittenhouse, who is

NCD — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 19:07:31 +0000

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Kyle Rittenhouse, who is charged with killing two at a protest in Kenosha, Wis., was photographed drinking underage, using “white power” hand gestures and meeting members of the Proud Boys group at a bar, prosecutors say...... link

C'mon

rmrd0000 — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:19:36 +0000

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C'mon

Rittenhouse, when out on bail, was hanging out and drinking with the Proud Boys, flashing white power signs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-out-bail-flashed-white-power-signs-bar-prosecutors-n1254250