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to me, this looks like a

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 22:35:27 +0000

In reply to With violent crime on the rise in Mpls., City Council asks: Where are the police?

to me, this looks like a blatant reach out to Biden along the lines of "we can work with you on this one", could be a win win:

Sen. Rick Scott: "We need to FUND the police." pic.twitter.com/TyYsLM3144
— The Hill (@thehill) September 17, 2020

he's not going anywhere, just got elected in 2018.

When did the new force

rmrd0000 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:27:44 +0000

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When did the new force unionize?

Looking for data on how

rmrd0000 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:08:14 +0000

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Looking for data on how reunionization occurred.

Neighboring city, Patterson,

rmrd0000 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:52:36 +0000

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Neighboring city, Patterson, has twice the population, but a much lower budget for police. The Inquirer article verified the steady decrease in crime in Camden since 2013. Camden has little taxable income. Apparently, part of the problem is that with new unionization, police costs surged. The increased cost is not a big surprise. Unclear why the costs are greater than Patterson.

Here's the newer data I see:

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:21:12 +0000

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Here's the newer data I see:

Camden’s county police force eventually unionized after disbanding the city’s prior unionized police force, and its operating costs have soared. Camden budgeted $68.45 million for police this year, accounting for nearly a third of the city’s overall budget. An internal state analysis cited by the Philadelphia Inquirer notes that its police spending “compels the contraction of other vital city departments and services.”

Yes, the numbers from 2003

rmrd0000 — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:01:42 +0000

In reply to I'm using your link, your

Yes, the numbers from 2003-2013 are from the article.

The article talks about how the change came about

Is 2019's 25 less than 2013's 57?

The newer article talks about what is happening now

You will use any subterfuge to win an argument. The numbers decreased after the change.

Edit to add:

You want to use old data that has been updated

Im willing to look at current data

I'm using your link, your

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:27:11 +0000

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I'm using your link, your article.

My conclusion: Minneapolis

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:16:05 +0000

In reply to With violent crime on the rise in Mpls., City Council asks: Where are the police?

My conclusion: Minneapolis city council members are mostly pandering morons without a spine, going this way and that with the wind, and many will lose re-election.

I doubt that will cause much

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:11:54 +0000

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I doubt that will cause much outrage except among professional protestors and the ACLU. Because people are used to the idea of giving a mulligan to the Secret Service protecting the president being able to do basically whatever the fuck they want. If a president, any president, wants to walk across the street, people in the way lose their civil rights for the time being. Is just the way it is, presidential lives are special. Deal with it. Needs to be litigated? Absolutely. A big story with the public? No way. They're like: why doncha just go and protest somewhere else, further away from where the president is?

He lives there. Wrote for

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:00:30 +0000

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He lives there. Wrote for WaPo in June that most stories about the "defunding" and restructuring are all inaccurate B.S. Conclusion:

What can we take from the real, messy story of Camden’s police restructuring? The disbanding of the Camden City Police Department was not a silver bullet. In fact, it was deeply anti-democratic and done with the purpose of increasing enforcement. But local activism subsequently led to new force-reduction policies. Camden is not a story of how disbanding and creating a new force magically fixes policing, it is a story of how community persistence can lead to meaningful change and how force-reduction policies can, in fact, reduce force.