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SIGH absolutely, he does.

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 04:02:29 +0000

In reply to WSJ poll suggests Biden leads

SIGH absolutely, he does. Nobody is arguing he didn't and doesn't. Read the fucking article. THE POINT: Dem leadership was shocked they lost a lot of lot of heavily Hispanic districts and demographics they expected to win and lost, especially a lot of Hispanic voters downticket voted GOP and Dems took for granted they were all pro-Dem and no matter what, they are finally studying up that many are not loyal at all and don't like a lot of Dem policies. Including on immigration, many are not open border types at all!

Overall, looks like they are headed dangerously in the opposite direction.and the stereotypes are totally wrong. Lots of them went with Biden because he was a centrist, but they also saw a lot to like about Trump and that was new to Dem politicians and they voted GOP downticket.

You're the big partisan one, you would think you're up on this, apparently not.

there's been a ton of articles and studies about it, starting right after the election, I posted lots on this thread, you didn't read a single one, did you?

PRO-TRUMP LATINOS NOW BEING EXILED FROM THE PROGRESSIVE COALITION

I'll do some of it allover again, maybe you will read one this time?

Pro-Trump Latinos now being exiled from the progressive coalition https://t.co/okDcKwNIVy
— reason (@reason) November 4, 2020

The next several days will be filled with postmortems about the "shocker" among pro-Trump Latinos in Florida@realcpaz called it last week: https://t.co/yo2uOea6Cn
— John Hendrickson (@JohnGHendy) November 4, 2020

Yglesias/Vox on topic BEFORE the election

Some of us were writing about Trump’s resilience with Hispanic voters back in early July, without even the benefit of speaking to any real voters. https://t.co/d4K865LZ3n
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 5, 2020

Still the best opinion piece that explains rising nonwhite support for Trump. Left of center analysts often see nonwhites as victimized stereotypes, have ignored the data and refused to talk to nonwhites outside of the highly educated prep school bubble https://t.co/ZQjAjcsC1o
— Lee Fang (@lhfang) November 4, 2020

Miami-Dade Hispanics helped sink Biden in Florida

By Beth Reinhard & Lori Rozsa @ WashingtonPost.com, Nov. 4

[....] Biden drew far fewer Hispanic voters than Democrats expected, carrying Florida’s most populous county of Miami-Dade by only seven percentage points, compared with the 30-point margin boasted by Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016. To top it off, the Republican surge in Miami-Dade sent shock waves down the ballot, appearing to help unseat two Democratic members of Congress who represented the county, including Donna Shalala, a well-known former Cabinet secretary and president of the University of Miami.

Trump’s gains in Miami-Dade accounted for about 75 percent of his gain in net votes in the state over 2016. So rather than potentially celebrating an outright Election Day win in a huge battleground state, Biden was left to wage a drawn-out, pitched battle for votes in razor-thin contests across the country.

“It was a bloodbath,” Joe Garcia, former chairman of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, said of his party’s showing there.

While pro-Biden ads dominated television in Florida, the GOP outworked Democrats on the ground, narrowing the voter registration gap between the two parties to its smallest margin in decades. Democrats pulled back on neighborhood canvassing until the homestretch of the campaign because of the coronavirus pandemic.

What’s more, voters from immigrant backgrounds seemed to gravitate toward Trump’s aspirational, though at times misleading statements about the strength of the economy while dismissing Biden’s dire warnings about the public health crisis.

“Our guy was talking about covid all the time and wearing a giant mask,” said Garcia, a former congressman and executive director of the Cuban American National Foundation. “The other was headlining massive rallies, talking about prosperity and looking indestructible.”

The GOP’s attacks on Democrats up and down the ballot as “socialists’’ resounded with Hispanic voters scarred by authoritarian regimes in Latin America and seeking economic opportunity in the United States.

Results of the two intensely competitive congressional races in Miami-Dade point to Trump’s improved standing among Hispanic voters.

In the district represented by Shalala, Trump lost by only three percentage points, compared to 20 points in 2016.

In Garcia’s former congressional district, one of the most Hispanic in the country, Trump won by six percentage points on Tuesday. In 2016, he lost that district by 16 points [....]

Still the best opinion piece that explains rising nonwhite support for Trump. Left of center analysts often see nonwhites as victimized stereotypes, have ignored the data and refused to talk to nonwhites outside of the highly educated prep school bubble https://t.co/ZQjAjcsC1o
— Lee Fang (@lhfang) November 4, 2020

“Despite a late push to court Latino voters over the last several weeks, Joe Biden is ending his presidential bid on shaky and perhaps perilous ground with this diverse, essential segment of the electorate...” 2/xhttps://t.co/Mjc1DKOHkw
— Patricia Mazzei (@PatriciaMazzei) November 5, 2020

One of the most disturbing stories of 2020 now looks even worse. Spanish radio stations in Florida were polluted w/misinformation & racist conspiracies in order to pit Latino voters against Af Americans. Published in Oct by @PatriciaMazzei & @jennymedina. https://t.co/Au9avC4ttn
— Jodi Kantor (@jodikantor) November 5, 2020

There might be two melting pots bubbling away in America, not one. Contrary to the lazy narrative that minorities lean left, 2nd generation non-graduate Hispanics might be "assimilating to norms & culture of non-degree working class whites"https://t.co/wRemBZ8kLl
— Matt Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) November 5, 2020

Good piece. I hope this question is explored more in the coming years. Right-wing populism isn't going away any time soon, and boiling it all down to white racism isn't going to serve us (even though that's clearly a part of it). https://t.co/dIeLiv3ofU
— Shane Bauer (@shane_bauer) November 7, 2020

Trump's inroads with Latino voters, especially in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, have been well documented.

It appears that Trump made some pretty significant gains with Vietnamese voters as well.https://t.co/yuGXWVvMnz
— Ryan Matsumoto (@ryanmatsumoto1) November 10, 2020

Man, I’d missed just how poorly Biden ran in heavily Puerto Rican Osceola County. The Florida story is not just about Cubans and Venezuelans. https://t.co/3QjusBHFNJ
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) November 15, 2020

SIGH absolutely, he does.

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 03:41:51 +0000

In reply to WSJ poll suggests Biden leads

Overall, looks like they are headed dangerously in the opposite direction.and the stereotypes are totally wrong.

You're the big partisan one, you would think you're up on this, apparently not.

there's been a ton of articles and studies about it, starting right after the election, I posted a gazillion on this thread, you didn't read a single one, did you:

PRO-TRUMP LATINOS NOW BEING EXILED FROM THE PROGRESSIVE COALITION

I'll do it allover again, maybe you will read one this time?

Pro-Trump Latinos now being exiled from the progressive coalition https://t.co/okDcKwNIVy
— reason (@reason) November 4, 2020

The next several days will be filled with postmortems about the "shocker" among pro-Trump Latinos in Florida@realcpaz called it last week: https://t.co/yo2uOea6Cn
— John Hendrickson (@JohnGHendy) November 4, 2020

Yglesias/Vox on topic:

Some of us were writing about Trump’s resilience with Hispanic voters back in early July, without even the benefit of speaking to any real voters. https://t.co/d4K865LZ3n
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 5, 2020

by artappraiser on Wed, 11/04/2020 - 8:55pm

Still the best opinion piece that explains rising nonwhite support for Trump. Left of center analysts often see nonwhites as victimized stereotypes, have ignored the data and refused to talk to nonwhites outside of the highly educated prep school bubble https://t.co/ZQjAjcsC1o
— Lee Fang (@lhfang) November 4, 2020

Miami-Dade Hispanics helped sink Biden in Florida

By Beth Reinhard & Lori Rozsa @ WashingtonPost.com, Nov. 4

[....] Biden drew far fewer Hispanic voters than Democrats expected, carrying Florida’s most populous county of Miami-Dade by only seven percentage points, compared with the 30-point margin boasted by Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016. To top it off, the Republican surge in Miami-Dade sent shock waves down the ballot, appearing to help unseat two Democratic members of Congress who represented the county, including Donna Shalala, a well-known former Cabinet secretary and president of the University of Miami.

Trump’s gains in Miami-Dade accounted for about 75 percent of his gain in net votes in the state over 2016. So rather than potentially celebrating an outright Election Day win in a huge battleground state, Biden was left to wage a drawn-out, pitched battle for votes in razor-thin contests across the country.

“It was a bloodbath,” Joe Garcia, former chairman of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, said of his party’s showing there.

While pro-Biden ads dominated television in Florida, the GOP outworked Democrats on the ground, narrowing the voter registration gap between the two parties to its smallest margin in decades. Democrats pulled back on neighborhood canvassing until the homestretch of the campaign because of the coronavirus pandemic.

What’s more, voters from immigrant backgrounds seemed to gravitate toward Trump’s aspirational, though at times misleading statements about the strength of the economy while dismissing Biden’s dire warnings about the public health crisis.

“Our guy was talking about covid all the time and wearing a giant mask,” said Garcia, a former congressman and executive director of the Cuban American National Foundation. “The other was headlining massive rallies, talking about prosperity and looking indestructible.”

The GOP’s attacks on Democrats up and down the ballot as “socialists’’ resounded with Hispanic voters scarred by authoritarian regimes in Latin America and seeking economic opportunity in the United States.

Results of the two intensely competitive congressional races in Miami-Dade point to Trump’s improved standing among Hispanic voters.

In the district represented by Shalala, Trump lost by only three percentage points, compared to 20 points in 2016.

In Garcia’s former congressional district, one of the most Hispanic in the country, Trump won by six percentage points on Tuesday. In 2016, he lost that district by 16 points [....]

WSJ poll suggests Biden leads

rmrd0000 — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 23:22:40 +0000

In reply to "This Is How Biden Should Approach the Latino Vote"

WSJ poll suggests Biden leads among Latinos. Obviously, it is just one poll

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden holds a significant lead over President Trump among registered Latino voters, garnering 62% of support, compared with Mr. Trump’s 26%, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC/Telemundo poll.

The survey finds Mr. Trump’s support among Latinos to be roughly in line with his standing in 2016. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won 66% of the Latino vote, exit polls found that year, while Mr. Trump received 28%.

About 12% of Latino voters remain undecided this year, the new survey finds.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-leads-trump-among-latino-voters-poll-shows-11600641000?mod=hp_lead_pos2

More specifically, the

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 20:35:23 +0000

In reply to Comes to mind that this is

More specifically, the American "don't tell me what to do" whine. The "conservative" who leaves his gas guzzling truck idling in the driveway to own the libs over global warming, whatever the gas cost. Persuasion requires people want to be persuaded in some fashion. Tribal lockdown isn't like that - it's an Oprah group nod in lockstep.

Comes to mind that this is

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:36:22 +0000

In reply to "This Is How Biden Should Approach the Latino Vote"

Comes to mind that this is where the "deplorables" comment may actually have caused the real harm, with just a few swing voters in the right places who saw nothing wrong with Trump's dog whistles of the time. I.E. She's calling me names, so I think I'll go out and vote for him...

Thankfully, I think this is

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:28:40 +0000

In reply to "This Is How Biden Should Approach the Latino Vote"

Thankfully, I think this is one thing Uncle Joe really "gets" deep in his bones:

Biden took a question tailor-made to drive a wedge between black & white working-class voters, and turned it into a unifying moment, without falling into the trap of equating the experience of race prejudice with class prejudice.

This is a master class in navigating divides. https://t.co/4mVnNahH3w
— Bill Scher (@billscher) September 18, 2020

The lesson here is Biden should keep saying the Park Avenue thing, rare example of an economic message that TV news thinks is interesting https://t.co/0PMxkFz5CJ
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 18, 2020

Gonna start a UES Private High School Grads for Biden Facebook group to offer support in these troubled times.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 18, 2020

but getting the "non voter" swing state type to want to vote is still the problem.

Rich kid ‘rioters’ are

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:17:42 +0000

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Rich kid ‘rioters’ are ignorant about the poor working class

By Rob Henderson @ NYPost.com, September 12, 2020 | 8:54am

Across the country, pampered children of the overclass are taking part in the vandalization, looting and burning of businesses, many of which are owned by immigrants and members of minority groups, under the guise of championing the Black Lives Matter movement. In the 1960s, Malcolm X characterized white liberals as “the most dangerous thing in the entire Western Hemisphere,” and now we are seeing why.

Consider the case of Clara Kraebber, who faces felony rioting charges after a recent alleged window-smashing spree that police say caused at least $100,000 in damage. The Post reported that Kraebber is a wealthy Upper East Sider whose mother is an architect and whose father is a psychiatrist. She was allegedly joined in the rioting by Frank Fuhrmeister of Stuyvesant Heights, a freelance art director who has designed ads for Joe Coffee and has also worked for Pepsi, Samsung and Glenlivet, among other high-profile brands. Another accused rioter is Adi Sragovich, an accomplished musician and student at $57,000-a-year Sarah Lawrence College who grew up in the super-tony enclave of Great Neck, NY. Claire Severine, a former jet-setting model, was also arrested.

These affluent white rioters are attempting to hijack the BLM movement, promoting mayhem to impress their friends. Meanwhile, they will face a fraction of the chaos and violence suffered by downtrodden Americans — if they pay any price at all

These privileged people hold luxury beliefs, which are ideas and opinions that confer status on the upper class, while inflicting costs on the lower classes. Rich rioters burn businesses to the ground and cause chaos in the streets to increase their social status among their equally affluent peers, all the while claiming to fight for the underprivileged. In her 2018 book “Political Tribes,” Yale Law professor Amy Chua quotes a student from rural South Carolina: “I think protesting is almost a status symbol for elites. That’s why they always post pictures on Facebook, so all their friends know they’re protesting. We don’t like being used as a prop for someone else’s self-validation.”

Privileged protesters are keenly aware of how many “likes” they’ll get if they post a photo with the right hashtags next to a burning building. Never mind that the building housed a pharmacy, and now elderly members of that community no longer have access to life-sustaining medication. These senior citizens aren’t even props for privileged protesters — they’re nonentities.

The heirs of the overclass have little understanding of the policies for which they advocate, such as the infamous call to abolish the police. Only those who have never been victimized by violence could promote such a policy. These rich radicals despise police officers, many of whom are the same age as them but are far more likely to be non-white and come from working-class backgrounds. The Rev. Al Sharpton rebuked these rich radicals on Tuesday when he said, “To take all policing off is something that I think a latte liberal may go for as they sit around the Hamptons discussing this as some academic problem.”

And indeed, in July, wealthy families hired private security guards for protection while they summered in the Hamptons.

Rich rioters are cultivating dangerous environments where violence can fester. Compared to Americans who earn more than $75,000 a year, the poorest Americans are seven times more likely to be victims of robbery, seven times more likely to be victims of aggravated assault, and twenty times more likely to be victims of sexual assault, according to the US Department of Justice. Rich rioters must be ignorant of such realities. Or maybe they hope the poor will become even more victimized than they already are.

Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson), who served in the Air Force, is a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Cambridge.

Cross link to more stories on "hot to Trotsky" privileged kids.

Cross link to more comments from Al Sharpton

Cross link to what's old is new again Radical Chic/ WHY LIBERAL WHITE WOMEN PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO LEARN OVER DINNER HOW THEY'RE RACIST, including this June 1970 illustration:

Elites tweeting 'Defund the

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:47:30 +0000

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Elites tweeting 'Defund the Police' while cozily ensconced in their rural vacation homes are advocating policies in overwhelming disagreement with the 'POC' they're purporting to help. Of course, they won't have to live the outcomes of those policies, will they? pic.twitter.com/01si0EaV8d
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) September 20, 2020

Lastly...OMG who would have thought?...messages of racial grievance and division are largely unappealing to most Hispanic voters, but unifying messages of cross-racial unity and class solidarity against wealthy self-interested elites are. pic.twitter.com/HwyO5sMuXw
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) September 20, 2020

Elites in this country live

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:40:18 +0000

In reply to "This Is How Biden Should Approach the Latino Vote"

Elites in this country live in such an ethereal bubble of their own self-regarding construction, they have be explained truths obvious to anyone living outside (or perhaps more correctly, beneath) their little la-la land.

Let's go through this study....https://t.co/Go21tUcYgr
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) September 20, 2020

Shockingly, Hispanic immigrants think about getting ahead and building a future for themselves and their children in their adoptive country, and aren't exactly lining up for the progressive pity parade run by 'Harper' from Oberlin (and his ilk) who want to put them in a box. pic.twitter.com/2ANk82aaM9
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) September 20, 2020

Another chapter in the "why don't they use cool terms like 'Latinx' for themselves?" saga. pic.twitter.com/JzH6HnvE7F
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) September 20, 2020

How can you remain this dumb about what life is actually like in America? How can they live in such a castle of their own illusions?
— Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) September 20, 2020

Cross link to Sept. 5 thread

artappraiser — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 07:26:15 +0000

In reply to "This Is How Biden Should Approach the Latino Vote"

Cross link to Sept. 5 thread which has related points: THE NON-VOTER