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Uh oh, food fight with

artappraiser — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 04:12:39 +0000

In reply to Lincoln Project going for the throat when the enemy is down

Uh oh, food fight with Geraldo:

Wasn’t your name Gerry Rivers at Columbia? https://t.co/bf6yCJIl1q
— Reed Galen (@reedgalen) November 9, 2020

And Steve Schmidt can't let go, he doesn't want the grifters to get one thin dime more:

There has been a tradition that the outgoing President flies home on Air Force One. It is a courtesy. A courtesy Trump and his disgraceful family have not earned. They have ripped the taxpayers off for four years. They should go home on their own dime.
— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) November 9, 2020

Reed Galen says straight out

artappraiser — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 01:31:28 +0000

In reply to Lincoln Project going for the throat when the enemy is down

Reed Galen says straight out that The Lincoln Project will not use its skills against Dems in the "not-too-distant future":

No, they won’t. https://t.co/Wa2QiM8wkP
— Reed Galen (@reedgalen) November 9, 2020

I read it.

artappraiser — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 00:49:00 +0000

In reply to So, you really don't want to

I read it.

And yeah, I'm more into like this kinda thing

General amnesty for social media activity 2015-2021
— Wesley Yang (@wesyang) November 7, 2020

Rather than re-litigating 2003 (not to mention1968) like you seem to like to do, not to mention grudges grudges grudges.

Here's my philosophy: the only constant is change. And Tempus Fugit, times a wastin. Memento mori, he's coming for you, not just "them". Nobody ever said on his deathbed: damn I wish I had punched that neo-con in the nose in 2003. And anti-zealotry, dislike the Inspector Javert character, I really have no interest in hunting individuals to the ends of the earth.

It's 2020, Lulu, and a pandemic is stalking all human beings.

So, you really don't want to

A Guy Called LULU — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 00:36:22 +0000

In reply to Good for you then. I really

So, you really don't want to debate about it because there's so much more interesting things going on than deconstructing the decades-ago opinions of individual Lincoln Project participants. What they did in the past doesn't matter. What things they may contribute to in the future is what interests you. Well, what they may do in the future interests me too. Where we differ is that you see no reason to judge their past and think it might hint at their future actions. I gotta admit I can see the [good?] effects of that way of thinking as, for example, I see Shrub Bush being rehabilitated in the public eye. Despite the horrible things he did we can just be more comfortable if we think of his new approval as a great cultural advance towards bipartisan intelligent governance and social harmony, his reinvention as something acceptable by cunningly displaying him in human form, even as something admirable. Just think about it, if this trend continues then in just a few short years we can welcome Trump back into polite society and look to him for sage advice! Maybe even give him prime time on Shows like Rachel Maddow's as a paid commentator if he needs the cash. I mean if he changes we can and yeah, people change, sometimes.

Oh yeah, all of the above is just opinion which you say you are happy to read.

I gave up ETAs years ago.

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 21:33:24 +0000

In reply to Good for you then. I really

I gave up ETAs years ago.

p.s. I really really really

artappraiser — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 20:20:23 +0000

In reply to Good for you then. I really

p.s. I really really really have no use for arguing old times and old stances when radical change like this is happening every minute.

Good for you then. I really

artappraiser — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 19:59:31 +0000

In reply to I acknowledged them as the

Good for you then. I really don't want to debate about it, there's so much more interesting things going on than deconstructing the decades-ago opinions of individual Lincoln Project participants. What they do in the future is what interests me.

Sorry you feel I broke Dagblog etiquette rules which were operative back when there were a lot more people participating here. I've gotten used to this basically being a private space for a few people where only a few bother to participate. Certainly even the owner has abdicated from any participation during this election, yet he maintains it and to my knowledge hasn't asked anyone using it to leave.

And to reiterate what I've said to you many many times in the past, I don't find extensive debate with the same people over and over useful or entertaining. I find it a detriment to my mental health when I am tempted to do it. I am happy to read other people's contrary opinons but I don't find extensive debate useful at all. You are gonna have to find another partner

I acknowledged them as the

A Guy Called LULU — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 19:38:12 +0000

In reply to I am going to ignore it

I acknowledged them as the enemy of my enemy and have declared from the beginning that I would vote for Biden as a vote against Trump, so I hope that satisfies the political expediency you recommend. I strongly supported Obama in his first run which earned me in inclusion your set of "Obama bots" at the time.

And over the years I've noticed you'd rather have the peacenik party be purist losers forever.

I think that is a willful misreading of positions I have taken. It is ridiculous to think that I want ideas that are important to me to meet with defeat. I have argued that our government should be much,much less militaristic. There is no peace party that I or one percent of our country could identify by name for me to support and then relish in their defeat. I have supported peace activists who almost universally work to change the Democratic Party in order to accomplish their goal to whatever extent possible. They/I do not wish to lose but rather wish to win in a party that will find other means than militarism and brutal sanctions, which are a method of war, as their method of international politics. I believe that The Lincoln Project moves the Democratic Party in the wrong direction. I do not want them to be influential in the Democratic Party.

Edit to add: It is accepted form here at dag, almost always respected, to note when you edit to add.

Well well well, we're finally

ocean-kat — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 18:59:43 +0000

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Well well well, we're finally on the same side. Will wonders never cease. But as much as i see it as you do Arta is probably correct to, that Biden needed them to win, and to be the attack dog so he didn't have to. It would have conflicted with his fantasy of unity and bipartisan cooperation with republicans. Honestly though, the republican senate is the best thing that could have happened for Biden. He can blame them for stopping him from doing things he never really wanted to do in the first place. And he can blame them for passing republican legislation the left hates but Biden actually wants.

I am going to ignore it

artappraiser — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 18:50:36 +0000

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I am going to ignore it except to say: democracy works through coalitions of the moment in order to gain a majority will on something and purism is a real killer of it. And over the years I've noticed you'd rather have the peacenik party be purist losers forever. I've never seen you express support for any presidential candidate that ever won office. You're willing to sit and wait for a millennium in order to keep your minority principles. The courts are the branch of government we have to protect minority interests like yours as you are sitting and waiting and the rest try to make democratic sausage.