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Man, I’d missed just how

artappraiser — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 18:40:00 +0000

In reply to Pro-Trump Latinos Now Being Exiled From the Progressive Coalition

Man, I’d missed just how poorly Biden ran in heavily Puerto Rican Osceola County. The Florida story is not just about Cubans and Venezuelans. https://t.co/3QjusBHFNJ
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) November 15, 2020

On how Asian-Americans voted

artappraiser — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 03:07:22 +0000

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On how Asian-Americans voted in Neveda & increase in Trump support among Vietnamese-Americans

Asian Americans are 11% of Nevada’s electorate, per one study. That’s quite a significant number in a perennial battleground and early primary state.https://t.co/bUtL43YBvD
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) November 12, 2020

Here's a good article by @terrygtnguyen about pro-Trump Vietnamese voters and the complexities of the community's politics.https://t.co/972p5Ge8X6
— Ryan Matsumoto (@ryanmatsumoto1) November 10, 2020

Good piece. I hope this

artappraiser — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 00:51:30 +0000

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Good piece. I hope this question is explored more in the coming years. Right-wing populism isn't going away any time soon, and boiling it all down to white racism isn't going to serve us (even though that's clearly a part of it). https://t.co/dIeLiv3ofU
— Shane Bauer (@shane_bauer) November 7, 2020

There might be two melting

artappraiser — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 07:08:13 +0000

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There might be two melting pots bubbling away in America, not one. Contrary to the lazy narrative that minorities lean left, 2nd generation non-graduate Hispanics might be "assimilating to norms & culture of non-degree working class whites"https://t.co/wRemBZ8kLl
— Matt Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) November 5, 2020

Yglesias & Krugman on same

artappraiser — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 19:15:17 +0000

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Yglesias & Krugman on same meme:

At a certain point one would think we have to admit that there is simply a large swathe of the population, including a substantial fraction of non-white people, who do not buy into progressive intellectuals’ conception of what racism is. https://t.co/iZJOUEgoLC
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 4, 2020

If you see trumps numbers

artappraiser — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 18:50:50 +0000

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If you see trumps numbers with minorities and your only take away is “these are stupid people who are open to white supremacy “ then I think you’re being as dense as the people you claim to oppose
— Ryan Campbell (@RyanForSmyrna) November 5, 2020

just posted because it's thought-provoking. Self-describes as Business Owner, Financial Planner, Investor, liberal. Been tweeting since 2011, says he lives in Smyrna.

He is followed by, among others: Danny Cardwell

lol you really need to stop

artappraiser — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 17:55:19 +0000

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lol you really need to stop using the bubble slur because it makes you look ridiculously incoherent. Focusing myopically on the interests of a minority of anything is the definition of bubble, the opposite of big picture or even view from another different bubble. Everything you have ever done on this site is emphasize that a bubble or minority view is important, that all the rest of us, the majority out in the world need to understand your favorite minority bubble and all the details inside that bubble, everything that happens to your bubble needs to be noted, there is nothing more important to learn about than what happened to your bubble today and the next and the next...

Using economic class alone is

rmrd0000 — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 17:40:59 +0000

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Using economic class alone is a horrible idea

For example, lower levels of medical care persists in the Black community even with a higher economic status

You want to hide that reality because it does not fit into your view from the bubble

This one comment gave me a

artappraiser — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 17:20:47 +0000

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This one comment gave me a beeeg reality check on topic. Let's not forget that "Hispanics" or "Latinos" are a ridiculous label, as they are a huge and diverse group on track to be the majority, soon may not even be a legit minority. Just as whypipple are a huge and diverse group. There are Trump fans and then there are lots of others.

People keep talking about grassroots organizing among Hispanics vs. alienation of affluent Republicans as alternative theories of how Arizona got so much bluer but it seems clear that you needed both to get where we are. https://t.co/LlKxv4MX9J
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) November 5, 2020

Gawd I wish all race/ethnicity questions were erased from the census. We're Americans, that's it. Need to stop falling for the minorities game and start paying more attention to economic classes and the like.

Edit to add: the language problem is still one that divides. Maybe AI can solve that soon, though? In the meantime, couldn't census ask about what is the person's main language instead of race or ethnicity?

Thanks, I figured something

artappraiser — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 16:32:05 +0000

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Thanks, I figured something like that going on precisely because I've read so many stories about nightmarish results from the way social media use rumor mongers in Latin and South America in small tribal group to small tribal group. (As in lynch mob type situations against pedophiles or the like.) It's a problem in parts of Africa too.

I would argue, though, that it comes from not trusting propaganda though!. And only trusting family and friends and who those people vouch for. Wherever there's corrupt government that controls media in some way.

Wherever they have such an ingrained distrust of propaganda from official media, they take to social media like bees to honey, because they can pass info in very small tribal groups. They trust the people in them, often familial based. With the rumor mongering and gossip one would expect from that!

Does show how not being fluent in English can be a big problem, because like it or not, English is where some independent factual reporting is still going on? So ripe a situation for agents provocateurs who can speak the lingo and understand the small tribes, their interests and fear.

I can't imagine how frustrating it must be, much worse than dealing with a deluded Trumpie or Qanon fan on Twitter, because there al least you have outsiders to help

“It’s painful and scary to see people you love and think should know better fall into these traps,” she said. “I do what I can: I talk to my mother and think I convince her, but it’s like every time I put one rumor out, there’s another one the next week or even the next day.”

Really hits home how globalized English as a universal language supporting free speech is a better way for all it's faults? These little tribal groups: ugh, way to build hate and distrust of anybody with different DNA.