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After 1870 til 1921 white men

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 06:08:23 +0000

In reply to The 1783 Constitution gave

After 1870 til 1921 white men still got to vote 5/5th every woman's vote. 640,000 killed in the fight to preserve the union/free the slaves, and women got dick out of it. Literally.

RMRD Forming a more perfect

oldenGoldenDecoy — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 06:00:19 +0000

In reply to Thanks OGD

RMRD Forming a more perfect union...

It has not always been simple, easy and painless.

Up thread Arty said:

YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM OR LEAVE the country, as this is a democracy. /snip/ If you can't convince us few liberals by now that your views of things are true and correct...

The woman below did not leave the country, nor did she concern herself with convincing others who didn't care to listen to her about her efforts. With a hat tip to Jabbot at the TPM Hive.

1980:

“The men who pulled the triggers that killed five men here on the streets of Greensboro are dangerous men, but they are not the cause of our problem. The real danger today comes from the people in high places, from the halls of Congress to the boardrooms of our corporations, who are telling the White people that if their taxes are eating up their paychecks, it’s not because of our bloated military budget, but because of government programs that benefit Black people.”

https://youtu.be/nvmasu_CLr0

"I believe that no white woman reared in the South — or perhaps anywhere in this racist country — can find freedom as a woman until she deals in her own consciousness with the question of race. We grow up little girls — absorbing a hundred stereotypes about ourselves and our role in life, our secondary position, our destiny to be a helpmate to a man or men. But we also grow up white — absorbing the stereotypes of race, the picture of ourselves as somehow privileged because of the color of our skin. The two mythologies become intertwined, and there is no way to free ourselves from one without dealing with the other."

~ Anne Braden, “A Letter to White Southern Women” (1972) - pdf

Full documentary for 99 cents available on Vimeo here.

~OGD~

RMRD I have Armadillo hide .

oldenGoldenDecoy — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 05:53:02 +0000

In reply to Welcome to the game.

RMRD I have Armadillo hide . . .

Now about this continuing crap from the worry warts about
the BLM Defund/ BLM Abolish/ BLM to the the moon, Alice.

Do those look like the faces that would be credited
with the defund/abolish police rhetoric from 1988?

Album Ashes to Ashes - Cut 7 - Abolish Police. Beware it's aurally ugly...

From 5 years ago 03/27/2014 at Vice...

If we can learn one thing from Final Conflict, it’s that songs about cops being assholes will never get old. Case in point: their song “Abolish Police” off of 1988’s Ashes To Ashes hasn’t aged a day. Sure, punx will only fight the police on Twitter nowadays and maybe some of them even grew up to become cops themselves. But still, the police state-smashing sentiment still rings true.

And this stroll down history's lane on 06/12/2020 at Politico

The Deep Roots—and New Offshoots—of ‘Abolish the Police’

The summer’s divisive new slogan has a surprisingly long history—and shifting meanings.

G'night...

~OGD~

Welcome to the game.

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:48:00 +0000

In reply to Oh Oh ... another one chimes

Welcome to the game.

You disagree with something one of the triumvirate says

Another member chimes in and insults your intelligence.

Trump is firing up his base

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:41:11 +0000

In reply to ....put the anger and

Trump is firing up his base by saying that if he doesn't win, the election is rigged.

LOL

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:38:14 +0000

In reply to Blah blah blah blah blah...

LOL

Put the offenders in jail.

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:34:13 +0000

In reply to "Some people who join

Put the offenders in jail.

Anyone can say they are BLM.

If they say they are BLM and they are carrying clothing out of a 5th Avenue store, arrest them.

BLM founder on "defund the police"

Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza told NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday that growing calls to "defund the police" are not about eliminating police departments, but about reinvesting funds toward "the resources that our communities need."

And

What she's saying: "So much of policing right now is generated and directed towards quality-of-life issues, homelessness, drug addiction, domestic violence," Garza said. "What we do need is increased funding for housing, we need increased funding for education, we need increased funding for quality of life of communities who are over-policed and over-surveilled."

"Are we willing to live in fear that our lives will be taken by police officers who are literally using their power in the wrong way, or are we willing to adopt and absorb the fear of what it might mean to change our practices, which will ultimately lead to a better quality of life for everyone."

"Seven years ago people thought that Black Lives Matter was a radical idea. And yet Black Lives Matter is now a household name and it's something being discussed across kitchen tables all over the world. Why can't we start to look at how it is that we reorganize our priorities so that people don't have to be in the streets protesting during a national pandemic?"

https://www.axios.com/defund-police-black-lives-matter-7007efac-0b24-44e2-a45c-c7f180c17b2e.html

The 1783 Constitution gave

NCD — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:10:17 +0000

In reply to Damn that Constitution - it

The 1783 Constitution gave white men 3/5 more vote for every black slave, to get more representation and power in the House.

After 1870, with Jim Crow, white men got 5/5 vote for every black resident, a 66% gain on 3/5, cuz blacks were again disenfranchised, and got murdered or terrorized if they tried to get a ballot and vote.

Now we argue and litigate ballot drop boxes, absentee ballots, early ballots, late ballots, mail ballots, picture IDs , which ballots are "legal", or "illegal", when to stop or start counting ballots, and have armed Republican " poll watchers". Are we failing? Krugman wants to know.

Thanks again OGD.

rmrd0000 — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:08:49 +0000

In reply to RMRD Forming a more perfect

Thanks again OGD.

Obviously I'm not leaving the country

I have real world contact with a larger circle of Progressives who agree with my positions about Trump and his enablers.

None of us are leaving the country.

A very telling point is that she freely criticizes the Left, the Woke, BLM, etc,

Yet, when asked what she would say to Trump and Rubio about supporting the attack on a Biden campaign bus, she had no criticism to offer.

Radio Silence

She can criticize Kendi, etc.

But criticizing her heroes who targe the Woke, is simply not allowed

Like Trump, she makes up rules as she goes along.

I will track down the video.

In the aftermath of the election, my conclusion is that we put too much trust in the pollsters.

Graham and Collins were not going down.

However, look at the amazing situation in Georgia

Stacey Abrams and others worked to a point that Biden and two Senate candidates are competitive

People thought Abrams was crazy

But, she did not give up.

The fight goes on.

"Some people who join

ocean-kat — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 04:05:54 +0000

In reply to Thanks OGD

"Some people who join protests are there simply to create chaos."

These are all strawman arguments. I've seen numerous videos of BLM organizers who encourage looting and call it reparations. So It's not just some people there to create chaos. Those engaged in legitimate protests need to separate themselves from the looting not excuse it and encourage it. No one is saying there is no good reason for protests. No one is saying they shouldn't protest. People are saying looting and violence is counter productive and wrong, criminal behavior that should result in arrest and punishment. People are saying that a problem we all see, abusive police, won't be solved by defunding the police and proposing it will likely result in little to nothing being done to solve the problem. Bullying people at outdoor cafes, throwing chairs, tables, plates and their food is counter productive and isn't going to get anyone to support you.

Keep it up and support for needed reforms will get less not more and be harder to achieve. I've been at a lot of protests since I was in my 20 even up to 2 years ago at a protest for immigration reform. I would never take part or support the current BLM protests.