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Boustos is covid-positive;

artappraiser — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 03:58:48 +0000

In reply to Cheri Bustos won't run for DCCC chief after House Dem losses

Boustos is covid-positive; thread:

I have tested positive for the COVID virus. I am experiencing mild symptoms, but still feel well.

I have been in contact with my medical provider and, per CDC guidance, am self-isolating.
— Rep. Cheri Bustos (@RepCheri) November 16, 2020

Noah Smith suggests Dems

artappraiser — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 05:23:21 +0000

In reply to Cheri Bustos won't run for DCCC chief after House Dem losses

Noah Smith suggests Dems should think about the system LDP uses in Japan:

We don't have a parliamentary system, but seems to me that nothing is stopping the Dems from formalizing an internal division between factions, like the LDP does in Japan, and establishing rules for sharing power internally between the factions.
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) November 11, 2020

I think @observingjapan could give some more details on how this could work.
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) November 11, 2020

Here's an article about the faction system in the Japanese LDP. I don't think it would be too hard to adapt something like this to the Democrats in the U.S.https://t.co/Hz6fT9V53M
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) November 11, 2020

All these questions are moot

ocean-kat — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 02:52:25 +0000

In reply to The Manchin speaks on topic

All these questions are moot at this point. The odds that democrats will win both seats inthe GA run off and control the senate are near zero.

Interesting argument with AOC

artappraiser — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 02:21:53 +0000

In reply to Cheri Bustos won't run for DCCC chief after House Dem losses

Interesting argument with AOC putting a new spin on "voter suppression", found retweeted by Josh Barro, NYMag's business columnist

Fun fact: There actually wasn't a single district in Georgia that, in 2018, saw as low turnout as AOC's 2018 general election. You wanna talk about voter suppression, let's start with New York https://t.co/mY5i66OThr
— Market Urbanism (@MarketUrbanism) November 12, 2020

The Manchin speaks on topic

artappraiser — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 02:13:31 +0000

In reply to Cheri Bustos won't run for DCCC chief after House Dem losses

The Manchin speaks on topic and none too subtly:

defund the police, my butt (i’ll never defund the police) https://t.co/zJL0OBzaTS
— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) November 12, 2020

note things like packing the courts and ending the filibuster are also addressed

Good layout of disinfo

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 05:11:07 +0000

In reply to Cheri Bustos won't run for DCCC chief after House Dem losses

Good layout of disinfo tactics

Would be good for analyzing other comm/disinfo pushes

I revised this table to reflect that it's the baseless nature of the Trump legal challenges to votes that is (one part of) the problem. pic.twitter.com/fldzXAkEb5
— Dan Gillmor (@dangillmor) November 11, 2020

" If I was charged with Dem

ocean-kat — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 01:46:31 +0000

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" If I was charged with Dem party responsibilties like someone like Pelosi is, I wouldn't give them very much time of day."

It's more complicated than that for democratic leaders like Pelosi. We're a coalition and she must find some way to at least satisfy the minority parts of the coalition. I know we're not a majority, that's one reason I was against Sanders. Of course the left can't get everything they want but you can't just ignore them and expect them to vote for your moderate dem candidates. In some states the left is a larger minority group than blacks. What would have happened to Biden if his opponent wasn't the most hated republican candidate or president in my life time. by dems? Ignoring that there would have been no Lincoln project, If it was Romney against Biden lots of the left would have sat out this election or voted Green. Enough that it could have had a real effect on who won.

One difference between now

artappraiser — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:33:35 +0000

In reply to 1) Here in Yurup when the

One difference between now and the past, they've had a high turnout election with lots of referenda included. This is real data, you can't use pollster error blame game. See WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA. Huge state, one of the biggest economies in the world, tons of immigrant and socio-economic mix. They went thumbs down on affirmative action, etc. In Florida they went for Trump but raised the minimum wage.

One thing that really is true is that types like "The Squad" and Bernie Bros. are trying to sell some things that are popular and other things that are really unpopular outside their own little bubble districts. If I was charged with Dem party responsibilties like someone like Pelosi is, I wouldn't give them very much time of day. If CA is moderate overall on many things and that state is still the futurist in our country, anything radical is a very long term sell. And sure to be counterproductive in the short term. People overall seem to be tending both moderate and libertarian. That's why the word "socialism" is a big turn off. Even in "the ghetto" they hate social workers poking their noses into their private lives. It's not so much a belief in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" but rather, don't put big government strings on big government help, let us decide. There's a reason more people of all political stripes seem to prefer giving to "Go Fund Me" than paying higher taxes.

1) Here in Yurup when the

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:18:44 +0000

In reply to I was just going to say,

1) Here in Yurup when the parties fall, they get replaced by others - to some extend doing the same thing.
2) The "parties" are just organizations - perhaps close to unions than an actual corporation. But they have goals & levels of success like any other alliance or firm.
3) Almost every organization has some kind of PR or Marketing. This can just be to get the word out, or it can be much more aggressive. The GOP has successfully lined up their official marketing with their members' daily word-of-mouth proselytizing and it's rather ugly. The Dems have *some* woke/lockstep requirements for different factions, but the org's messaging is much less expansive. And much less successful. By repeating "socialism socialism socialism", the Republicans have gained quite a bit more than expected. The Democrats have trouble even making it obvious Trump's wealth is fake and that he has about 20 aides, party colleagues,whatever convicted of various crimes. He's still a maverick, and all the Dems preaching is to the choir.
4) Hate the parties, but still to some extent 1 party carries your water; the other party may accidentally overlap with you here and there, but mostly tilts opposite. And I understand things are very different in Congress and on the local level - maybe we should just have Major Leagues and Minor Leagues, or Pro Football & College Football, where your allegiances at the lower level have nothing to do with allegiances at the higher - only past performance. But that won't happen.
5) I've had enough of the modern focus on hyper-targeted marketing for everything I might look at on Facebook or Google, but the reality is it's there and it's turning elections, more than all the "sit down with your neighbor and talk" good wishes.
6) anyway, outreach, GOTV, recruitment, etc., are part of the game. Yes, it makes a difference in leading by example, what I say *and* what I do. The monkeys dancing around some street preacher thinking they were woke & cool totally turned me off, and it really pissed me off that they didn't have a goal & honed message for why they were spnding weeks in the streets, instead burning their energy on some religious loony - who has as much right to speak and occupy a square as they. But it also pisses me off that the Democrats are back to "just shut up about your policies - no one cares - and be quiet while the other side makes a fool of itself." I mean, I did like that Bernie came to the table with some concrete things to push, even if I criticized some as unrealistic or unhelpful. You at least had something to grab onto, a known quantity. I am sick of the identity stuff as the only recourse to discussion. [like the other day, "Kamala Harris is the first woman VP".... quickly adding "of color". As if being the first woman VP can't rest on its own, that there are endless subcategories that have to be drawn up lest this be too privileged and uncontroversial. or that me belonging to that privileged class of white males who both built & defended much of what we have and screwed up a number of things, yet am supposed to shrink away, let some other supposed wonder race take over, as if anyone else has a stellar clean record over the eons.
Anyway, understand you dont want to discuss the marketing aspect or even the party support, but at some point it kind of defines the parameters of the race & next government, so hard to avoid.

I was just going to say,

artappraiser — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:19:03 +0000

In reply to But it's probably best if

I was just going to say, truth be told: I loathe talking about that kind of thing. I myself basically despise both parties,I hate what they do to people and to our country. I've been a registered as Independent since 1980 and have been hoping they both disappear since then. I'm a moderate liberal. I judge each candidate for the position and the environment they will be working in. No different than if I hired someone to work for me--I don't ask what clubs they belong to.

These two political clubs are pernicious. Lefties don't belong with liberals and libertarians don't belong with conservatives.

You tempting me to talk about what Dem party should do to be more successful than the GOP made me throwup in my mouth a little bit I don't blame you--it's another side of me--I was tempted because I like marketing. But I feel it is wrong.

I liked Lincoln Project precisely because they left their party and became independents. After following them for a while, I see they have a lot of liberal principles. So far they sure seem more my type of people than Bernie Bros or AOC "socialists". They seem like Liz Warren sensible types.

I hate big bureaucracy and dislike the NY Dem machine intensely, they milk the system and accomplish very little to help citizens, just care about their cushy salaries and benefits. The "civil service" here is basically by payola and/or passed down nepotisically, i.e., you get your job because your uncle already has one and tells you how you get one, what to do, who to talk to, etc.

Then I saw this, this guy is a geek and no doubt a "liberaltarian" He sees partisan Dems screaming and yelling about Susan Collins all the time and it makes no sense to him:

I'm seeing a lot of liberal anger about this kind of response but "let the process play out" should be a completely banal take. There is no harm in having some people withholding judgment until counting is over and litigation has played out. https://t.co/NFlcx5MN6G
— Timothy B. Lee (@binarybits) November 9, 2020

She takes care of her constituents or they wouldn't vote her back in. What is wrong with that really? The only thing wrong is that the Senate is a partisan outfit now. Well, the founders didn't intend that! George Washington didn't want there to be any political parties at all!

You got me thinking about this-I dug up my old Jan. 2019 thread on "Liberaltarians".Me and other liberaltarians hope both parties fail soon.

I'm most happy when I see the growth of people registered as Independents. Fuck the parties, really. That kind of sausage stinks, the people in the parties don't belong together. They're all forced into a "platform" that doesnt' fit them. I love Joe's main shtick about working for everyone, uniter not divider. And that life is not a football game with Team A and Team B fighting each other. More people realize that every day, they leave the parties and become Independents.

The two parties are the current reality and the way the GOP is is the current reason that they have to stay that way. But I sure wish they would just fall apart.