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To keep in mind:

artappraiser — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 04:38:06 +0000

In reply to Elissa Slotkin Braces for a Democratic Civil War

To keep in mind:

Hard to underscore how little Trump cares about the Republican Party beyond himself... https://t.co/30KmNnDssO
— Ashley Parker (@AshleyRParker) November 14, 2020

Very popular tweet by a

artappraiser — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 03:37:16 +0000

In reply to Elissa Slotkin Braces for a Democratic Civil War

Very popular tweet by a reporter for The Hill on topic with 2,500 retweets, 16,700 likes and a gazillion comments on it:

My name is Congressman Gorp Trunglesby, I won my district by a quarter of a point in 2018, I spent the next two years proposing vouchers to teach Python to people whose children died in school shootings, and it's AOC's fault I lost.
— Zack Budryk (@BudrykZack) November 8, 2020

So Nate basically reminds

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 23:52:49 +0000

In reply to NYTimes' Nate, Nate Cohn,

So Nate basically reminds everyone that we are well into the 21st century and things have changed some, believe it or not. Like having had a radical nut case anti-establishment anti-elite populist president for 4 yrs. that many still support?

So maybe just maybe political parties (and pollsters) shouldn't be totally focused on how to appeal to the same old same old demographics as in 1985? Just maybe?

Here's one I see mentioned by smart political analyst people

there's probably also a piece to be written about betting markets being excessively MAGA, and it probably dovetails with the crypto/Joe Rogan crowd https://t.co/3fXihQ8e2R
— Nathaniel Horadam (@NW_Horadam) November 14, 2020

Reminds me of this post of news articles I did nearing two years ago now

THE LIBERALTARIAN DEMOGRAPHIC, IGNORED BY POLITICAL ACTIVISTS, ANALYSTS AND POLLSTERS AT THEIR PERIL

Also comes to mind that dropping the red vs. blue map thing invented by TV pollsters in the 1980's (to go with Nancy Reagan red!) might be helpful as well to see reality better aside from figuring an Electoral College race once every 4 yrs.

NYTimes' Nate, Nate Cohn,

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 22:36:59 +0000

In reply to Elissa Slotkin Braces for a Democratic Civil War

NYTimes' Nate, Nate Cohn, chimes in on topic with a thread of tweets, sort of like a first draft of what he sees big picture after years of experience of Trump-related election analysis:

This thread raises a good point. With the Democrats’ pre-Trump strategy no longer relevant, and the Trump-era playbook moot, and Biden being a “transitional” president, AND Pelosi having agreed to a term limit, lots of questions about what the party will look like in a few years. https://t.co/lfxD56Gms0
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) November 14, 2020

Basically: Dems are perhaps blaming themselves too much for the past BUT then again now it's a whole new world, babee. ...Democrats *do* need to recognize just how much Trump pitch has really undermined the way they usually win elections.....Also of note, he does seem to be saying might as well forget the economy thing stupids, as you don't/won't get credit for it anyway?

Edit to add: this one of the end tweets summarizes many of his points well:

As a result, Dems don't have to try and figure out how to win the last election. They do need a better pitch: their 92-16 pitch is gone, and their 16-20 pitch (trump bad) is gone now too. But Trump was also a big impediment to a better pitch, and there's more room for it now
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 14, 2020

Those are all really good

ocean-kat — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:00:13 +0000

In reply to not any more due to all the

Those are all really good questions that should be explored in the curriculum. Most are not in and of themselves race based. For example the history we choose to teach should address how people challenge power. But it doesn't begin and end with racism or MLK and BLM. The fight for 40 hour work weeks, labor protections, minimum wage, and the union movement is part of the history. It predates FDR and the New Deal. Of course the civil rights movement but also Women's suffrage, NOW and ACT UP. The value in those questions depends on how they are answered. If the answers become nothing but race and racism it's as much a disservice to our history as the faultless greatest nation on earth ultra nationalistic over the top patriotic narrative that came before it.

Side issue: so obviously this

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:47:58 +0000

In reply to Vox did a whole article on

Side issue: so obviously this is something that interests Yglesias as he is already writing on it during the summer while George Floyd protests are hot and heavy. And there's a lot of woke youth working in the office, and they don't like it that criticism of their rhetoric is being written about by one of the bosses. After other problems like trans worker complaining they are hurt that he signed The Harper's Letter, and him being told that sharing snarky thoughts and opinions on Twitter is inappropriate, because they offend some, and that he should be only doing promotional tweets for Vox. It follows in November that we see Yglesias decide to leave so he can talk about what he wants to talk about unrestricted.

Similar is going on in big media all over the country. As they do want to attract the younger demographic, so they hire young woke elites.

Right here is evidence of what I say, copied from the comments I put on the Friedersdorf-on-Yglesias-leaving news thread

Senior Political Analyst & fill-in Anchor for CNN @NewDay. EIC of The Daily Beast 2013-2018. Author, Wingnuts & Washington's Farewell.:

This explains just about everything right now. https://t.co/2RJHHrcDM0
— John Avlon (@JohnAvlon) November 13, 2020

Vox did a whole article on

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:36:00 +0000

In reply to Whew, just finished Shor's

Vox/Yglesias did a whole article on the Shor argument in July, I didn't know about it, but obviously German Lopez keeps it in mind as a main topic of interest:

It's intersectionality taken to the extreme — to the point that it's rigidly and bluntly applied to every single aspect of life, often with attempts to shame or silence people with different views by construing them as bigots. https://t.co/OiNvRLGHqp
— German Lopez (@germanrlopez) November 14, 2020

An example of what I mean by extreme here is people getting called racist, or even losing their jobs, because they called riots bad or said they oppose defunding the police. This has actually happened. https://t.co/Wt1c4vgKTs
— German Lopez (@germanrlopez) November 14, 2020

It's not just identity politics. For one, identity politics exists on the right — for many white, Christian people. Woke politics is a left-wing adaptation of identity politics taken to the extreme.
— German Lopez (@germanrlopez) November 14, 2020

Uh, hello? "Critical Thinking

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:24:38 +0000

In reply to not any more due to all the

Uh, hello? "Critical Thinking", not "Critical Race Theory". I hope at least they're not considered the same

not any more due to all the

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:49:04 +0000

In reply to Does critical thinking have

not any more due to all the new grade school teachers and other Education Dept. people pushing it, it's in curricula for K-12 in most urban areas now. The conservative rural districts fight back of course:

@waOSPI K-12 Ethnic Studies Advisory Committee met today to plan the big themes/questions of the new Critical Race Theory-based curriculum.

Thread:
I shared a few sticky notes they created from each of the 4 themes so you can see how race/power obsessed our schools will be. pic.twitter.com/JS19LBf7kU
— Steven Welliever (@StevenWelliever) November 13, 2020

myself on this meme, living

artappraiser — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:44:37 +0000

In reply to there was also major

myself on this meme, living in a striver working-class-to-small-biz owner immigrant Bronx nabe, what I can't get over as a powerful negative is the bad p.r. from the protests in the summer where woke type mixed crowds of college kids either went after people eating in restaurants or went marching through residential neighborhoods yelling that supposed "gentrifiers" don't belong there and give it back to the poor. While it was a small percentage of protests, these videos got tons of play and buzz on social media, I am sure including on Facebook. It's class warfare brassy and bold. The immigrant and 2nd generation of those immigrants aspire to being exactly those gentriifiers. It's like slapping their "American dream" in the face. I'm not making it up, it's a major meme in TV shows like Shameless. Or The Simpsons. Or heck go all the way to The Jefferson's and "moving on up." Script writers get that from somewhere, it's not fantasy, it's real. That's really the core of the negative association with the word "socialism". Nearly everyone who chooses to come here does so because they want to get into some of that capitalism via small business and real estate. Ain't for nothing that "prosperity gospel" evangelical storefront churches are popular with lots of urban immigrants. (And of course, a left wing Afro-American "socialist" argument to that has long been that their ancestors didn't choose to come here. Is at the core of some disagreement between immigrants from Africa and Afro-Americans.)