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Ah well, tx for reading so I

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:11:02 +0000

In reply to It's clear from looking at

Ah well, tx for reading so I didn't haff 2

It's clear from looking at

artappraiser — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:03:54 +0000

It's clear from looking at the thread that she does advocacy journalism for grassroots left purposes. No data. One story for each demographic group, interviews cherry picked for purposes of rah-rah, we can make a difference SPIN; P.R. Which is fine for what it is, but doesn't help analyze results. Zero real proof the people in her stories really represent their demographics.

She actually straight out says what she's trying to do in the first tweet It’s amazing how Michigan voters and democracy activists aren’t cast as the protagonists in their own story, she's trying to cast democracy activists as the protagonists in their own story.

They are all have the same pitfalls and usefulness of like NYTimes' stories along the lines of "who are these rural Trump fans? let's talk to some of them and see if we can't try and figure them out." Except these are all selected for left activist perspective.

Michigan turnout thread

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:45:15 +0000

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Michigan turnout thread

(I'm blocked, so can't read it - hope it's good)

Here's some important @MichiganAdvance reporting on Michigan voters and policies they want to see, starting with @HistoryLivesDet's interviews with Black voters in Detroit. https://t.co/Xmnx7QyY0M
— Susan J. Demas (@sjdemas) November 25, 2020

Not just the professional and

artappraiser — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 08:42:30 +0000

In reply to The Democratic Party is

Not just the professional and managerial class, but big corporations too, if Trumpism continues to have a stranglehold on the GOP? Just sayin, after I saw this tweet:

Corporate leaders foresee a more traditional, “no-nonsense” working relationship with the White House. And they urge the next administration to prioritize the Covid-19 pandemic. https://t.co/XyxuKPG6p8
— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) November 8, 2020

And thinking of that in turn reminds me of this recent news item, also WSJ:

CHARLES KOCH SAYS HIS PARTISANSHIP WAS A MISTAKE

By artappraiser on Fri, 11/13/2020 - 5:29pm

I have to admit, it was a

ocean-kat — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 07:38:44 +0000

In reply to You can lead a horticulture..

I have to admit, it was in part a chicken shit post.

You can lead a horticulture..

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 07:24:00 +0000

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You can lead a horticulture...

Have to note I've never seen so much shit in one comment - 10lbs in a 5lb bag, as they say. Scat-o-logical even - you just might be Superman cuz in real life you're a mild manured man.

Yeah I get it. It's like from

ocean-kat — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 03:56:32 +0000

In reply to From my years doing political

Yeah I get it. It's like from my years doing organic gardening, I'd say it comes down to a bunch of shit, and what worked 4 some soils didn't work as much for other soils. Horse shit is better than cow shit. Chicken shit is better than horse shit. And bat shit has such a high concentration of nitrogen is almost the equivalent of a chemical fertilizer like ammonia nitrate. But if the soil is extremely low in organic matter shit isn't enough. Horse stable bedding with it's mixture of urine soaked straw and horse shit is really the best for that situation.

I guess what I've learned if that while you have to do a bunch of shit to win an election sometimes you need more than just a bunch of shit.

The Democratic Party is

artappraiser — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 02:29:36 +0000

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The Democratic Party is rapidly becoming the Party of the professional-managerial class. pic.twitter.com/mxm0bvuqxD
— Ben Winegard (@BenWinegard) November 24, 2020

In 1980, the Democrats only won 9/100 of the highest income counties. In 2020, Biden won over fifty percent (57/43) of the highest income counties. Part of this, of course, was due to Trump's unique character flaws, but it is also part of a long-term Party reversal. pic.twitter.com/BFYkUzCFan
— Ben Winegard (@BenWinegard) November 24, 2020

A key take home: Culture matters. Voters are not income maximizers simply punching the ballot for the candidate who is most likely to improve their post-tax net worth. Rather, they are voting for candidates & coalitions with whom they share broad cultural affinities.
— Ben Winegard (@BenWinegard) November 24, 2020

he got some interesting comments in replies

From my years doing political

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 24 Nov 2020 19:22:00 +0000

In reply to When we win people stand up

From my years doing political analysis, I'd say it comes down to a bunch of people went out and did a bunch of shit, and what worked 4 years ago didn't work as much, and some of what didn't work last time worked this, and while some of it was some new stuff that people pulled, and while the nation is largely moving on, a good portion is looking back or staying put, but without doubt the most effective and gamechanging group effort has to go to... sorry, it's in my other notebook - be right back.

When we win people stand up

ocean-kat — Tue, 24 Nov 2020 18:05:02 +0000

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When we win people stand up to take credit. When we lose people look for someone to blame. I did a quick search to verify my guess. My guess based on basic knowledge of the country turned out to be true. Nevada has 200 thousand union members with a population of 2.8 million. Arizona has 100 thousand union members with a population of 7.2 million. The question I have is if latino organizers with union backgrounds are so good why did they succeed in Arizona but fail in Nevada? If using latinx is such a turn off to latinos how were the Arizona latino union influencers able to counteract that when the Nevada latino union influencers weren't?