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that's okay if you're just

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 03:05:55 +0000

In reply to Yeah, sorry, overloading your

that's okay if you're just looking for a place to store it under keywords you can find easy, memnomic style. I was just wondering whether I was missing some point from him, a bit confusing. He did include the votes, so....that part's related

Yeah, sorry, overloading your

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 01:20:51 +0000

In reply to But I took Jilani's only

Yeah, sorry, overloading your no-flight thread w unrelated stuff.

But I took Jilani's only

artappraiser — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 23:17:31 +0000

In reply to Then there's postal

But I took it that Jilani's only point was: punish the miscreants by putting them on the "No Fly List"?!

Edit to add a reminder from way back when: the original intent of the "No Fly List" was actually to keep potential hijackers and suicide bomber types off airplanes. Not even all terrorists, just hijacking terrorists. So that everyone who paid for a ticket on the plane had a better chance to get where they are going in one piece.

Then there's postal

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 22:58:40 +0000

In reply to 5000 votes stolen 2016 by GOP

Then there's postal disruption by the Trump-aligned - this year's events would seem to imply interference is happening more.

This is North Carolina. The USPS OIG investigated allegations political mail was tossed into a dumpster.

2/ pic.twitter.com/N2UQD6qzSA
— Jason Leopold (@JasonLeopold) January 28, 2021

5000 votes stolen 2016 by GOP

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 22:03:41 +0000

In reply to Bennie Thompson, who wants to

5000 votes stolen 2016 by GOP, proven

That's much more than any proven theft in 2020, ignoring obvious vote repression - minority voting places that don't work/have slowdowns, taking out mail sorters...

So to complain about a guy who misled 5000 voters, spoiling their votes, is valid to complain about. If the martin's 100k, it doesn't much matter. If the margin's 18k and there are other possible thefts, it does. But again, it relies on reasonable proof or grounds for suspicion justifying further investigation, not just spurious claims pulled out of one's butt, which should be sanctioned.

I wrote a piece on this--wondered whether someone used Barr's politicized effort to go find voter fraud to put this together. After your article it would have taken almost no investigation, assuming Twitter retained everything.https://t.co/24lvnY7nmv
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) January 28, 2021

Ohio 2004 was documented

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 09:55:00 +0000

In reply to Bennie Thompson, who wants to

Ohio 2004 was documented voter repression - Ken Blackwell(?) explicitly removed voting machines in black districts. The issue should not be questioning election results - it's continuing to do it with 0 or misleading evidence (e.g. as shown by losing 60 court cases and winning only 1 irrelevant minor ruling).

Audits and recounts *should* happen, whether demanded or not. Blanket votes against certifying several states *should never happen* *unless* there's reasonably strong evidence of foul play and the actual contesting is doable and proportional - i.e. not throwing out all votes and starting again or leaving in the incumbent or staging a Civil War.

Bennie Thompson, who wants to

artappraiser — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:47:35 +0000

In reply to #NoFlyList videos

Bennie Thompson, who wants to put lawmakers who voted against election certification on the No Fly List, voted against certifying some EVs for Bush in 2005. Going to get really crowded on that Amtrak. https://t.co/vbXUyflrqB
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) January 28, 2021

I mean the No Fly List is unwieldy, authoritarian, discriminatory, and unaccountable. But the thought of everyone from Barbara Boxer to Ted Cruz being banned from flying for voting a certain way is pretty funny.
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) January 28, 2021

Full vote here: https://t.co/SGKfa7VLHu
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) January 28, 2021

And what problem was there

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:06:15 +0000

In reply to also 17 members of the Hawaii

And what problem was there letting him fly back to be arrested on more convenient home turf? Over 10,000 showed up at the Capitol - are they all to be treated as criminals with no due process? How do you get home to Hawaii if not by plane?

US law enforcement has detained "suspicious" dark-skinned people or other nom-conventionals with loads of inconvenience for decades/centuries. Transferring this Injustice onto a mass class of people is not a positive solution. Legal rules and procedures, not arbitrary detention & banning by gov/private biz coalition with uncontastable fiats.

Some people took a bomb to

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:57:00 +0000

In reply to Actually I'm a bit

Some people took a bomb to the 2004 Olympics, so all sports fans can be kicked off their flights? Richard Jewell can be falsely accused? I'm sure the Stewardess union would be happy to deny Richard too. It's tough upholding rights for a mass service in the face of possible dangersm But it's worth being aware of people's rights in the middle of this, and what each missed flight means. The couple who filmed the proceedings are possibly on a no flight list or 2 by mistake. Just spoilage, gotta break a few eggs? And much of this is about zeal and Schadenfreude, not about danger (ppl will be screened well getting into flights, though obviously physical violence can still happen). Warrant, legal procedures to follow to detain and arrest those who do pose a threat. I'm pretty sure there's no podium to carry off the plane, nor computer to read emails and take selfies by.

also 17 members of the Hawaii

artappraiser — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:55:40 +0000

In reply to Actually I'm a bit

also 17 members of the Hawaii legislature:

NEW: State Rep. @AdrianKTam (who won his seat by beating ‘Proud Boy’ Nick Ochs, arrested for role in Capitol riots) and other lawmakers calling on those involved in riots to be placed on federal no-fly list — Ochs made it back to Hawaii from DC but was arrested at airport @KITV4 https://t.co/C4EB4u4FzK
— Tom George (@TheTomGeorge) January 9, 2021