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I really appreciate you

artappraiser — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:37:10 +0000

In reply to Protesters asking for better

I really appreciate you posting about that incident as you have so that I didn't have to.

Would like to add to your big picture comments: one of the things that just struck me as sooooo counterproductive is the examples protesting focused on certain gentrifying neighborhoods, with the intent of scaring the shit out of gentrifiers and making them feel guilt. The effective goal is: chase them out, so it can be a ghetto again. Because if you chase away people who can pay taxes, that's what you get: a ghetto! Forget police, cities cannot pay social workers or do things like maintain public housing properly or even pick up garbage, with no one paying property taxes or any kind of taxes. Sales taxes can't do much when all you're selling in a city is the exempt basics of life, like food and clothing under a certain amount. If it's all a dump, it's going to stay that way without like a patron or something.

I'd look at some of those kind of protesters and it seemed like many were college student types. Made sense: transients who don't really get it at all.

this is an interesting video,

artappraiser — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:20:05 +0000

In reply to Can't even give the new

this is an interesting video, it's like a permanent game of cat and mouse war, looks almost like one protester volunteers to provoke per night, the feds are ready and waiting, everybody knows their roles, rinse and repeat, night after night:

Federal agents storm out to make another arrest, leading to rounds of teargas and pepper balls in the streets #Portland #PortlandProtests pic.twitter.com/jx0RV3ysSW
— Brendan Gutenschwager (@BGOnTheScene) January 24, 2021

chant I haven't noticed

artappraiser — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:10:15 +0000

In reply to Can't even give the new

chant I haven't noticed before from the crew that's been attacking the ICE building in Portland nightly for months:

"no borders, no nations, abolish deportation"

“No borders. No nations. Abolish deportation!“

The crowd is marching on ICE in Portland again tonight. pic.twitter.com/qeKlll4KFS
— Alix {Tobacco Fairie} (@thatpowellgirl) January 24, 2021

Can't even give the new

artappraiser — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:03:31 +0000

In reply to Protesters asking for better

Can't even give the new administration some time to normalize things.

just a reminder that certain protesters straight out chant that they want to "fuck Joe Biden", not part of their plan to let let the administration normalize things, looking for chaos and hopefully subsequent revolution

These mobs will push the

ocean-kat — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 23:09:55 +0000

In reply to the officer was trying to

These mobs will push the boundaries farther and farther until they are stopped.

the officer was trying to

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:28:31 +0000

In reply to Protesters asking for better

the officer was trying to clear the crowd, using the car loudspeaker, when people surrounded him and began pounding on the windows, she said. “He was afraid they would break his glass” and sped away to protect himself, she said. Two people were hospitalized and the officer is on leave. Afterward, protesters gathered at the scene to demand action against the officer.

Gueas they didn't see what happened to the lady in the Capitol, where security was also worried about glass breaking. Protesters not too clever.

Protesters asking for better

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:30:00 +0000

In reply to NYTimes reports from Portland

Protesters asking for better police behavior, dancing around a police car insulting the cops, surprised when the cop accelerates and runs over protesters. I'm sure at trial he'll note he was expressing his 1st Amendment rights, and they were impeding police activity. Where are the grownups? Presumably at home, avoiding the shitshow.
Meanwhile, half of Bay Area that can is packing up & moving to Austin. How much of Portland and Seattle is doing the same? Who needs sky-high rents in a pandemic when all it invites are more assholes in the streets. Can't even give the new administration some time to normalize things.

Note the Grand Theft Auto guys to start - *they* think it's cool - all good fun until someone ~~puts an eye out~~ gets run over.

Real life GTA shit #tacoma pic.twitter.com/xp1YVUaCKM
— Rahsaan (@marcelhoopla) January 24, 2021

unfortunately, "the narrative

artappraiser — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:17:26 +0000

In reply to Honestly Arta, this is all so

unfortunately, "the narrative" is still infecting big centrist media like CNN a bit:

Violent protest, eg with arson, is wrong and unwise. And inconsistency in reporting is ultimately harmful to civil society. https://t.co/mFRfvTgEiZ
— Nicholas A. Christakis (@NAChristakis) January 23, 2021

Imagine if the opening paragraph of something about Jan 6 read like that — completely from the rioters’ perspective: “Protesters took to the streets of Washington DC to let the establishment know they are still fighting for election integrity, some told CNN.”
— Pamela Paresky (Habits of a Free Mind) (@PamelaParesky) January 23, 2021

(she also shoulda mentioned that some of the more violent in the Portland crew don't think that Joe Biden is their duly elected president)

Ok, I would like to return to

artappraiser — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 05:38:19 +0000

In reply to $25,000 bail for a pro Trump

Ok, I would like to return to the original meme which I started with

(before I got into reminding readers of this thread that there actually was violence in many BLM demonstrations, they were not all peaceful, and not only that, they've left many downtowns in cities across the country still looking like shithole countries, all boarded up , damaged, even burned, and were the last straw for many small businesses after pandemic losses etc. etc.)

MY MAIN point is this:

Oregon State Police said they were withdrawing protection from Portland’s federal courthouse over frustration at a prosecutor’s decision not to indict many people arrested in protests there https://t.co/OXL4UAV8qm pic.twitter.com/BL3dOWLM1B
— Reuters (@Reuters) August 14, 2020

That was after the Trump/Barr goons, left, their protection was by order of the governor!

If protesters are NOT PROSECUTED at all or are just given hand slaps for actions for which they are arrested attacking a FEDERAL BUILDING and/or its legally authorized guards, to return and do it again, night after night after night after night for months, and the force authorized by the duly elected government just gives up and leaves,and this is publicized

WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO OTHER KINDS OF PROTESTERS WITH TOTALLY DIFFERENT GRIEVANCES? Esepcially about attacking like, Federal buildings.

I think it says: you too can get away with this! Why not just do it?! What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

You might also think: because leftists are just taking over all whole sections of a city and declaring a new government, and police step back and treat it as not their country, just because they are (supposedly) somehow for a righteous cause of a people oppressed by the local goverment, a cause that no one will dispute and no one gets prosecuted for doing it, activists on the right might think about doing that too?

They could also think: hey, lookit, if you don't like the symbolism of something like a communally-owned statue or or a similar physical symbol, you can just tear it down without going through due democratic process without being prosecuted if you look angry enough and are willing to mob it.. Just because it offends you, you can attack it and people will make excuses for you.. Feelings rule. If you're angry and offended, you can get away with a lot, even if the fascist cops arrest you, they'll let you off. Because your cause is righteous.

They might also think: hey lookit, everybody on the left now hates cops and protests against them, even in blue high-crime cities, and instead of getting tough on crime, they are stepping back in fear. We could do that too!

Honestly Arta, this is all so

ocean-kat — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 05:38:14 +0000

In reply to Ok, I would like to return to

Honestly Arta, this is all so obvious it shouldn't need to be said. It's amazing to me that we are debating it here.