dagblog - Comments for "(Oath Keepers) militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance " http://dagblog.com/link/oath-keepers-militia-members-planned-storming-us-capitol-days-advance-33661 Comments for "(Oath Keepers) militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance " en ^ case of special interest http://dagblog.com/comment/298725#comment-298725 <a id="comment-298725"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/298722#comment-298722">US man charged with</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><span style="font-size:18px">^ </span><span style="font-size:13px">case </span><span style="font-size:13px">of special interest because it intersects with the crackdown by the social media giants. So many wingers have gotten in the habit of threatening violence against the the most prominent left celebrity pols, it is mostly facetious but moderators can't know what is in a person's head, hatred and anger, it's allowed in speech but they can't know which one is a stalker in real life,  so they have to ban it all.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size:13px">AND it contributes to rabid divisiveness for sure, ramping up hatred against individuals and groups.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size:13px">CAVEAT: what do you do about the Kathy Griffin's "advocating" the beheading of the president?</span></p> <p>I think this case is lucky in a way, provides a chance for deterrent effect through the legal system, as the verbal threats are linked with actual violent activity. It's like this: prosecute when you can. Even if it's thrown out, people then think twice before doing it. A similar phenomenon: people learned you don't make jokes about bombs in the TSA line, just don't do it.</p> </div></div></div> Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:32:00 +0000 artappraiser comment 298725 at http://dagblog.com US man charged with http://dagblog.com/comment/298722#comment-298722 <a id="comment-298722"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/link/oath-keepers-militia-members-planned-storming-us-capitol-days-advance-33661">(Oath Keepers) militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance </a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">US man charged with threatening to 'assassinate' Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez <a href="https://t.co/wPfZV7j7g6">https://t.co/wPfZV7j7g6</a></p> — The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1353080512395542529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p>has link to court docs</p> </div></div></div> Sat, 23 Jan 2021 22:12:22 +0000 artappraiser comment 298722 at http://dagblog.com what's going on with another http://dagblog.com/comment/298693#comment-298693 <a id="comment-298693"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/link/oath-keepers-militia-members-planned-storming-us-capitol-days-advance-33661">(Oath Keepers) militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance </a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>what's going on with another serious case, that of "zip tie guy" Eric Munchel, possible release:</p> <p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">BREAKING: U.S. magistrate rules Capitol riot suspect Eric Munchel to be released from jail pending trial, to be placed on home detention (except for work, etc.) supervised by a family friend, must not possess firearms, prohibited from traveling to DC except for legal reasons. <a href="https://t.co/Ly9uW4cE3c">pic.twitter.com/Ly9uW4cE3c</a></p> — Phil Williams (@NC5PhilWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/status/1352783708202401797?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">Magistrate Chip Frensley: "This decision, in no way, is intended to condone the actions on January 6th. I found that those actions are dangerous ... to our system of government and our democracy and our Constitution. But the consequence of those actions is for another day."</p> — Phil Williams (@NC5PhilWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/status/1352786031288967168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">Judge Frensley continued, "What's for today is whether or not there are conditions that can reasonably assure the safety of the community between now and the time those consequences happen."</p> — Phil Williams (@NC5PhilWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/status/1352786737131642880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">STAY TUNED! Magistrate grants prosecution request to stay Munchel’s release until 10 am Monday to give prosecutors a chance to appeal to a DC district judge. <a href="https://t.co/jmof9satF7">https://t.co/jmof9satF7</a></p> — Phil Williams (@NC5PhilWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/status/1352792977052196864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">So... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZipTieGuy?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZipTieGuy</a> would be the 3rd man who participated in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Capitol?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Capitol</a> siege that Judge Frensley has released in the last few days.<br /><br /> Intriguing. <a href="https://t.co/OeXsjV98Id">https://t.co/OeXsjV98Id</a></p> — John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) <a href="https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1352807779287891968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p> </p><div class="media_embed"> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" height="" width=""> <p dir="ltr" lang="en" xml:lang="en">Per <a href="https://twitter.com/FBI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FBI</a>: dozen guns, 100s of rounds, showing up in Senate w/Taser and zip ties, etc etc. Bringing weapons to DC.. Pictures of him brandishing weapons ...<br /><br /> None of this led Judge Frensley to conclude <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZipTieGuy?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZipTieGuy</a> might be an ongoing danger.<br /><br /> Source: <a href="https://t.co/EfO3634B2u">https://t.co/EfO3634B2u</a> <a href="https://t.co/O57JaPXhfj">pic.twitter.com/O57JaPXhfj</a></p> — John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) <a href="https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1352810912344846343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" height="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" width=""></script></div> <p> </p> </div></div></div> Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:54:13 +0000 artappraiser comment 298693 at http://dagblog.com video from the article: http://dagblog.com/comment/298681#comment-298681 <a id="comment-298681"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/link/oath-keepers-militia-members-planned-storming-us-capitol-days-advance-33661">(Oath Keepers) militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance </a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>video from the article:</p> <p><em>Authorities cited this video evidence against apparent Oath Keepers Thomas Edward Caldwell, Jessica Watkins and Donovan Crowl in the attack on the Capitol. (TWP)</em></p> <p> </p><div class="media_embed" height="290px" width="480px"><iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="290px" mozallowfullscreen="" scrolling="no" src="https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/embed/66dd4140-5caa-488e-9c14-f39c40159c8b" webkitallowfullscreen="" width="480px"></iframe></div> </div></div></div> Sat, 23 Jan 2021 04:46:31 +0000 artappraiser comment 298681 at http://dagblog.com PDF attachment, separate link http://dagblog.com/comment/298680#comment-298680 <a id="comment-298680"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/link/oath-keepers-militia-members-planned-storming-us-capitol-days-advance-33661">(Oath Keepers) militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance </a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>PDF attachment, separate link @ WashingtonPost..com, no doubt you can find it elsewhere)</p> <p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/u-s-v-thomas-edward-caldwell-donovan-ray-crowl-and-jessica-marie-watkins/d3e8cbfe-dad5-4286-91f6-6461638e1fc9/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_12">U.S. v Thomas Edward Caldwell, Donovan Ray Crowl and Jessica Marie Watkins</a></p> <p>Updated Jan 19, 2021 at 5:58 PM</p> <p>from first page</p> <blockquote> <p>IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA</p> <p>UNITED STATES OF AMERICA</p> <p>v </p> <p>THOMAS EDWARD CALDWELL,</p> <p>DONOVAN RAY CROWL, and</p> <p>JESSICA MARIE WATKINS, :</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>DESCRIPTION: Complaint w/Arrest Warrant</p> <p>VIOLATIONS:</p> <p>18 U.S.C. § 371 (Conspiracy)</p> <p>18 U.S.C. § 372 : (Conspiracy to Impede or Injure Officer)</p> <p>18 U.S.C. § 1361 : (Destruction of Government Property)</p> <p>18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2) : (Obstruction of an Official Proceeding)</p> <p>18 U.S.C. § 1752(a) : (Restricted Building or Grounds) :</p> <p>40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2) : (Violent Entry or Disorderly Conduct)</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>AFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF AMENDED CRIMINAL COMPLAINT I, Michael M. Palian Jr., being first duly sworn, hereby depose and state as follows:</p> </blockquote> </div></div></div> Sat, 23 Jan 2021 04:44:19 +0000 artappraiser comment 298680 at http://dagblog.com