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We spoke to African-American

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 03:08:54 +0000

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We spoke to African-American congressional staffers about what they saw on January 6. "I Saw the Siege" is an oral history project, and it's launching tomorrow. #January6th https://t.co/vGVszv642e
— David Martosko (@dmartosko) February 4, 2021

The double standard is on

moat — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:29:52 +0000

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The double standard is on display there; But it includes the neocons Tulsi purports to be opposing.

It is the old Bush Doctrine that canceled international law in pursuit of national security without allowing for a way to influence the environment in some other way. Rand Paul is more consistent by not accepting that other places even exist.

one thing various Big

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:03:23 +0000

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one thing various Big Brothers can now do if they so desire:

Using a trove of leaked smartphone location data, @cwarzel and @stuartathompson identified some of the Capitol rioters.

In this time-lapse animation, smartphones moved from Trump’s rally to the Capitol. https://t.co/MV4foh0Olo pic.twitter.com/iSfdicvXWY
— New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion) February 6, 2021

Wow. @RepJimmyGomez describes

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:46:50 +0000

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Wow. @RepJimmyGomez describes his harrowing experience trapped in the House Gallery during the insurrection and the life-or-death decisions he made to survive the attack. pic.twitter.com/NB0spIzYAe
— MeidasTouch.com (@MeidasTouch) February 6, 2021

consistent about not wanting

artappraiser — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 05:45:39 +0000

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consistent about not wanting Patriot Act type investigations and prosecutions of either left or right radicals and extremists in the U.S. Of course, that's just a weird flip of American exceptionalism, as such people can spend time with foreign leaders who don't offer those niceties to their own citizens. the no-police-state thing, that's just for Americans, maybe some people just need a stronger regime. It's actually that's driven me crazy about lots of far lefties from like the Jacobins to Castro, they always know better what the people need than the people do but they yell at everyone else about the same kind of hypocrisy.

In one post above there is a

rmrd0000 — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 03:52:55 +0000

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In one post above there is a link to Thomas Chatterton Williams criticizing Kali Holloway

Holloway writes for the Nation and supports prison abolition

She admits that she wants the white supremacists put in jail/prison

She recognizes the conflict

In the article, there is a link to an article by two prison abolitionists

The Atlantic article addresses the conflict

In response to law enforcement’s hands-off approach to the storming of the Capitol on January 6, some on the left have demanded harsher policing of right-wing extremism to match the often-brutal treatment of Black Lives Matter and leftist protest. That is, the very people who supported police reform or outright defunding over the summer seemed to want a crackdown. Skeptics of defunding were quick to point out the apparent contradiction, and they took the opportunity to dismiss the abolitionist position altogether. As the writer Matthew Yglesias mockingly tweeted, “Clearly the answer to yesterday’s failures is to defund the Capitol Police and instead hire a squad of social service providers to tackle the real root causes of the violence.”

But what Yglesias finds absurd, we find imperative. Thinking in terms of root causes and nonpunitive interventions is never ridiculous, even when the target is right-wing extremism.

As a sociologist and an anthropologist who study social control in the United States, we know that punishment can radicalize and further alienate people, while social policy and grassroots community building can defuse potential violence. The abolitionist philosophy is precisely what is missing from the current conversation.

First, we should clear up some misunderstandings. Abolitionists do seek to create a future world in which police and prisons are obsolete, but such long-range commitments do not preclude practical harm-reduction efforts or collaboration with less radical allies. Abolitionists work for incremental improvements, especially interventions that set the stage for more radical change.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/stop-right-wing-extremism-without-bolstering-police-power/617759/

I don't see prison abolition happening anytime soon. I do agree that there should be programs that attempt to change criminal behavior. Reading the Atlantic article, I fail to see the cognitive dissonance suggested by Thomas Chatterton Williams. Put the Capitol rioters in jail. The QAnon shaman guy has already been transferred to a prison where he can receive organic food.

She flew to Syria right after

moat — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 03:21:43 +0000

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She flew to Syria right after Trump was elected to meet with Assad. It is difficult to see what that is consistent with.

Tulsi? Tulsi Gabbard?

oldenGoldenDecoy — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 23:01:11 +0000

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Tulsi? Tulsi Gabbard?

Sheeesh. Beware...

She's one of the most transparent right-wing plants in the liberal's garden.

~OGD~

Tulsi is being consistent.

artappraiser — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:52:46 +0000

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Tulsi is being consistent. Other leftist radicals are not:

The cognitive dissonance is the point pic.twitter.com/jpwGN6HIlE
— Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill) February 5, 2021

It’s like they reject having principles—on principle
— Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill) February 5, 2021

You get a lot of this where people are taking reasonable views (we should have less incarceration and it should be less cruel) then dressing them up with radicalism (abolish prison!) but then immediately retreating from tough cases. https://t.co/GDakE82IRs
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 5, 2021

p.p.s. I noticed that

artappraiser — Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:17:59 +0000

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p.p.s. I noticed that Teixiera does very much mention where many Hispanics are on the BLM thing in this article I posted; he doesn't go into Qanon and Majorie Greene and Trumpie wingnut Capitol Riot type shit, though. And ya know what, Dems should be polling on that! Try to get some vision 20/20 now instead of always this hindsight 20/20 thing!