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Adolf Hitler & Trump also

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:01:00 +0000

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Adolf Hitler & Trump also nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Mussolini and Stalin too. Good company.
Obama won one 8 months into office for doing... well, hope.
Henry Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize as well - not exactly a stellar record what with Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia.
So at least BLM can sleep well knowing it could be worse. Kudos! Maybe theirs can be made of broken glass if they win.

Democrats over-performed in

rmrd0000 — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 14:51:37 +0000

In reply to Clyburn is combo kingmaker,

Democrats over-performed in 2018 in the House.

2020 was a readjustment, a return to the mean

Democrats managed to pick up 2 Senate seats in Georgia

Edit to add:

BLM nominated for Nobel Prize

Interesting that when MLK was nominated, many complained that he led a violent movement

Clyburn is combo kingmaker,

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:50:00 +0000

In reply to and Democrats lost 13 seats

Clyburn is combo kingmaker, Obama's 3rd term, and Stop the Crazy rolled into one. He is old school. The rush to tap the newest trends and crazed and hip words was going to destroy the country. He picked someone who could counter the bullshit and go back to issues and talking points people can understand. Pragmatics. Without the racist trifecta and subsequent protests-cum-riots, Biden might have (narrator: "would have") had an easier time. Clyburne out Biden back on the right feet and Biden's been performing wonderfully to date. (lots of backseat driving on how Biden should've campaigned during a lockdown pandemic - i think his "stay low and let Trump wear himself out" largely worked, except it didn't communicate to Hispanic undecideds et al - but it was uncharted territory against a highly skilled - not dumb - psychopath**. Hard to draw too many hard conclusions)

BLM was largely as immature as it was 4-5 years ago, as Occupy Wall Street melted down to become before them. Sure, in any nationwide movement you can point to a few things positive. But again, the acronym BLM to consolidate outraged sentiment & protests vs the org itself are 2 different things - the latter much more untenable - while the protests of BLM took on different forms according to who co-opted it, much to stay in the news without worrying about (or welcoming) the bad optics.

There is nothing much different or better between 3 hicks chasing down and shooting a black jogger vs a mob of woke youth breaking windows, stealing stuff and intimidating people. Mobs and renegades and lynching parties oh my.

- the humorless Perspicacious Pleads, know-it-all at large

**In AI, scientists and mathematicians have tried replications such creatures as a frog. But nature's version is highly tuned towards catching frogs and a few other functions, self-learns quickly from hatched egg, uses almost no energy or computation power. Early AI tried brute force paradigms and learning exercises - millions of rules for every occasion. Lately they've come up with self-learning algorithms that better adapt to problems at hand without explicit rules or training - just mass data to repeat and discover on - so instead of a whole data center, the fake frog can be the size of a rack of computers or a laptop. I mention this with regards to Trump - he is finely tuned for certain activities. Saying he's horrid at math is like saying a Great White shark is horrid at flying - it's irrelevant. Trump was a mutant beast spawned through peculiar circumstances and whatever pathological internal characteristics to get better and better at a few basic functions, including pretty amazing energy, lasting power. You don't train the frog in Shakespeare. You don't teach the megalomaniac earth science and rock climbing. His job, his makeup, is to roam and devour in whatever bizarre patterns he discovers or creates. That's it. But he adapts better than most humans, or better said, he makes most or enough humans adapt to him. That is genius. Fortunately flawed enough that he didn't have greater success, and at his age - 75 in June - we can almost comfortably use the past tense.

and yeah, my memories and

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:24:58 +0000

In reply to and Democrats lost 13 seats

and yeah, my memories and everyone else's memories including many Democratic mayors, except you and a few others:

the RIOTS-- PLURAL--RIOTS, MANY RIOTS very expensive riots, expensive in manpower, expensive in physical damage, all across the country, in 2020. Not just one riot, many.

and Democrats lost 13 seats

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:19:42 +0000

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and Democrats lost 13 seats in the House of Representatives and Jim Clyburn said he didn't want to hear the word DEFUND again, that it was verboten until the GA Senate race was over or we will lose everything.

Oh and the GOP retains heavy control of state legislatures all across the country and will continue to gerrymander to hurt districts that might vote Dem.

via the votes of other people of color turning against BLM goals.

state reform of police via attorney generals of those states, pretty much dead.

WOW what an amazing success.

To me the Denver way just seems to make sense over months of violence, and that's you catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey than a gallon of vinegar. those towns where BLM protests wrecked public property and used up tons of money for pay for cops and fireman on overtime have no tax money left to pay for social workers. TOO BAD more didn't do it the Denver way and just really say "this will not be tolerated", stay home or else you are going to jail; this stops at breaking windows, we're not even going to go to the illegal assembly stage...

Your memories are your

rmrd0000 — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:02:24 +0000

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Your memories are your memories

In LA, BLM helped usher out the previous DA

The new DA set up an early meeting with BLM

https://abc7.com/blm-black-lives-matter-george-gascon-jackie-lacey/7819831/

Cori Bush, a BLM activist from Missouri, was elected to the House of Representatives

Apparently, not all of the general public has your negative opinion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/cori-bush-blm-congress-demofrats-squad/2020/12/21/556ac9f4-3cad-11eb-9276-ae0ca72729be_story.html

I have never said BLM caused

artappraiser — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 03:58:52 +0000

In reply to We get the old circular

I have never said BLM caused "the problem."

I have said I consider BLM a massive counterproductive fail. One of the major fails was not disavowing all violent and looting behavior loudly and clearly so that people did not associate BLM with it, letting extreme left wingers and common criminals and juvies align with it and dis those who told them to go home.

To the general public, it is now aligned with tearing down statues of like Junipero Serra and Lincoln and abolitionist hey, stealing sneakers by the carload around L.A. and Santa Monica and Chicago, and in Philly emptying all the big box stores, everywhere tagging blocks and blocks of downtowns with ugly graffitti, burning down Kenosha's government buildings, ruining Chicago's magnificent mile, and Santa Monica's main drag, trashing several Macy's that are a favorite of "the black community", burning down the only grocery in Minneapolis where that poor old lady needed to shop, screaming at liberal mayors, telling them they should be ashamed of themselves..

Because there were no leaders except Keisha Lance Bottoms to say anything early on. And she was dissed for being an Uncle Tom sell out. It was soooo important to tear down those CNN letters and later on, burn that gas station out on the highway because police wouldn't let them hang out there night after night after night...

and ya know, lighting dumpsters on fire and rolling them around the streets, just cool fun SO HEROIC

blocking traffic and then pulling guns on each other when someone stuck in traffic can't take it anymore

trying to burn down historic courthouses...

keeping people from using court buildings...

throwing molotov cocktails in police cards

then there's terrorizing people eating dinner-AWESOME,

taking over a highway every night for weeks and the police let you do it until you get run down by some crazy immigrant kid WOW inspiring!

and doing things like terrorizing white liberals in Wauwautosa because they won't go along with lynching a black cop, running around their yards at night trying to scare them, KKK style

As the BLM crowd was marching through the neighborhoods of Wauwatosa, one man came out to tell people to get off of his property, telling them there are people who most likely support BLM. One guy drove on his yard with a motorcycle. pic.twitter.com/yxOyZXqMOQ
— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) October 8, 2020

thousands of businesses attacked allover the country, many black owned...

Al Sharpton, to his credit, tried to reverse some of the damage, but he waited way too long to support the Dem mayors who had to deal with this shit.

I could go on and on...I heard all about it from Midwest and L.A. relatives and scions of Westchester along the lines "what the hell is going on in this country?" waaaay before Jan. 6

FWIW from an email from a family member in Milwaukee not that far away

....The mob came after the police officer that was justified in every shooting for no reason over than a target. they’ve lied and manipulated the facts .black officer BTW. Protesters have been terrorizing him & his residence girlfriend kids for weeks now . Mainstream Media Downplaying everything....

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by artappraiser on Thu, 10/08/2020 - 2:51pm

same thing ALLOVER the country, not for one day but for months and months and months during a worldwide pandemic, over and over and over, terrorizing store owners and just regular people in their homes, wrecking the livelihoods of immigrant Bronx storekeepers...taking over streets and causing all downtowns to be boarded up...fires allover the place...

This is how I will remember BLM! This is how I will remember it. As a significant nightmare addition to 2020. The country falling apart. And I am a liberal, just not into violent revolution. There are plenty of others like me. Not the way to run a positive movement as far as I am concerned. Massive massive fail. So much potential at the beginning with massive peaceful, all of it lost, step by step.

AGAIN RIOTING IS RIOTING, ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE NUTS LIKE WHEN IT HAPPENS. It's not an "only acceptable if my side does it" for the majority, it's simply unacceptable.

Who claimed that a majority

ocean-kat — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 02:42:39 +0000

In reply to We get the old circular

Who claimed that a majority of republicans believing the election was stolen is not a problem?

Who claimed that Greene got a standing ovation in the house because of BLM?

Or that it's BLM's fault that McCain Cheney etc were censured by the GOP of their state?

This is conspiracy level crazy. Not quite Qanon level crazy because there's no cannibalism in your theory, but close.

We get the old circular

rmrd0000 — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 02:29:19 +0000

In reply to Who in Denver were calling

We get the old circular argument. BLM caused the problem

The fact that a majority of Republicans believe the election was stolen.......not a problem

Marjorie Taylor Greene got a standing ovation in the House ...... All BLM's fault.

Cindy McCain, Liz Cheney, etc. attacked by the GOP of their states ....... BLM's fault

The pool of Republican voters has changed.

Progress is being made in police reform

The fact that some talk about defunding the police doesn't matter

Who in Denver were calling

oldenGoldenDecoy — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:14:05 +0000

In reply to Denver Police Chief Pazen fond of the STAR program, says it frees up officers to do their jobs

Who in Denver were calling for cutting cops?

Matthew Yglesias @mattyglesias

Seems like Denver added social workers without cutting cops, made everyone happy, and it’s working well.

12:21 PM · Feb 6, 2021 from Washington, DC

Although, this man in the same thread has a very salient point of culling the rotten apples from the good apples.

Robert @Esurio_

Replying to @mattyglesias

They still need to cut a lot of cops. I'd suggest looking through their social media & identifying authoritarian personality types through testing and evaluation.

12:24 PM · Feb 6, 2021·

~OGD~