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good point (betcha Prof.

artappraiser — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:14:42 +0000

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good point (betcha Prof. Wasow would give you an A+ for pointing that out )

That may be true but there

ocean-kat — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:02:22 +0000

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That may be true but there are a lot less of them. In all categories religion is declining in America.

If anyone thinks that when

artappraiser — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:51:09 +0000

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If anyone thinks that when old white Christians die off they will be replaced by more politically moderate young people, they are sorely mistaken.

Under 40 year old white weekly church goers are *more* Republican than those over the age of 60. That's been true since the 1980s. pic.twitter.com/Rx24T4YbeO
— Ryan Burge (@ryanburge) February 18, 2021

(found retweeted by Omar Wasow)

You can't see how "socialism"

artappraiser — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:57:53 +0000

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You can't see how "socialism" and political correctness is the problem, has always been the problem way before the "woke" with both Reagan Dems types and with many immigrants? Give them an inch and they'll take a mile and before you know it you have social workers you are paying taxes for butting into your life, telling you just not how to raise your kids, but what clothes you have to wear (Mao suits), how you can and can not run your business ("I'm from the government and I'm here to help, here's 800 pages of forms you have to fill out before you can sell that stuff, and no you can't farm your land over there cause that's a protected habitat of little birdies), generations of kids on welfare and emasculated men, broken families...etc.

The DLC knew what they were doing, knew the problem what they were trying to solve and won elections doing it. Trump knows a lot of it instinctively and uses it to feed his narcissism because: he attacks the left the majority doesn't like."W" understood it, too. He just got hijacked by Cheney/Rumsfeld old school.

Centrism wins elections, it really does. Oceankat is thinking I'm delusional, I think he is over-stressing aberrations in the past because he's left on certain things that didn't sell with the middle. Yes, all of Trump years is a terrible aberration and has really fucked up with ramping up confused divisiveness but before him the trend was that lots more places were turning purple.

AND NOW the thing is covid has screwed up all paradigms allover the world, majority is for spending and aid ala FDR. But temporarily, you can't predict that will last. Because all of our economies will be massively changed. Fast forward future after initial massive government infusion. No guarantee the end result will be clamor for more bureaucrats. Some want more social workers and less police, others want less social workers, less police, and more guns for self-protection and their own land. The popular interest in capitalism among the young is one totally unexpected result!

I've said for years Gore lost

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:57:45 +0000

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I've said for years Gore lost cuz he got pushed to the left by Bradley, ran against his own more popular positions.

But it's still amazing the GOP retains the "serious" badge with as much comical and inept behavior, acknowledging some on the Dem team are pretty awful too.

Maximizing profits would seem

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:49:00 +0000

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Maximizing profits would seem a hard act to compete against, but with the clumsiness of the horridly expensive & self-defeating Iraq invasion, the botched Katrina rescue, the 2008 financial crash, and the trillions in debt off the Trump years, I still struggle to figure out why the "Party of Business" is so successful by being so bad at business. I understand Hispanics somehow did well in the Trump years, but presumably somehow business aficionados would realize that borrowed cash isn't actually "success", and it has to be paid back (unless you're Trump with his crooked line of financiers or Steve Bannon getting pardoned for ripping off unsuspecting donors).
The Gingriches and Tom "The Hammer" DeLay and Paul Ryans only have to get elected in 1 fairly small district to hang onto power, unlike Senators, so that part's less confusing to me.

To me the only thing

ocean-kat — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:48:20 +0000

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To me the only thing interesting about approval ratings is trying to understand why they don't matter when people vote. You struggle to find a non partisan answer to explain everything when sometimes the partisan answer is obvious. There has always been a significant minority of republican voters that like hateful rhetoric and obstructionism. Those republicans who cater to that minority don't get punished for it by the republicans that don't like it. How ever much you might like the way Clinton played the game and how ever high his approval rating was Gringrich still kept getting elected despite his contrary way of playing that game.

Traditionally Congress gets

artappraiser — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 08:20:45 +0000

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Traditionally Congress gets very low approval ratings. COULD THAT BE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY HATE THE PLAYING OF PARTISAN POLITICS ALL THE TIME and prefer those who work at governing after elections are over?

(yes I am shouting. and yes, at both sides. if one side didn't take the bait of the other side, there would be no "play", no game if both won't play)

Edit to add: I am not talking about ideology of policy. For example, it can be the case at certain times that to a majority governing could mean cutting taxes, budgets and "welfare". It wouldn't necessarily always mean big Federal government initiatives on everything, while at times like these, or say, at war, it could. Just a desire to stop playing partisan political games and get to work on the fucking job the people hired you for in the election.

Personally I think a great measure of how Bill Clinton maintained his high approval rating all through an impeachment and various other attacks was the line he used often when he got dragged into playing politics and culture wars, it was blah blah blah to whatever and then now I have to get back to work for the American people. And that would often include doing things like meeting with Newt Gingrich on a deal at the same time Gingrich was working to remove him from office. He never fed trolls but if they were willing to be serious, he'd more than make time.