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"IF I LIKE IT, IT'S DATA; IF

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:54:25 +0000

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"IF I LIKE IT, IT'S DATA; IF I DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S 'ANECDATA.'"

True that you don't see many

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:51:54 +0000

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True that you don't see many articles with the headline "White Teen Arrested While Walking Home". Wonder why that is?

Well, that ignores the

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 07:57:43 +0000

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Well, that ignores the "arrest the nearest black guy" syndrome - we're not just talking about killings, and again we can ask how many whites are falsely accused, but I still think there's quite a bit more structural suspicion and harassment of blacks than deserved, which of course hlstill has to take into account rap killings and black high crime areas and other issues. We need a reset, some new workable guidelines and approaches, part to lower unnecessary profiling (yes, part of what cops should be doing is profiling, but...), part to improve community interaction while still responding to crime (even getting more positive public feed-in to the process, since the idea *is* to protect the public. Still, there are only so many applicants for the job of street cop.

A reminder that the 27 is for

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 06:43:39 +0000

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A reminder that the 27 is for blacks only, it's only one quarter of those killed. But we didn't do months of protests over the other 3/4 because the whole problem was (incorrectly) racialized. Racialization that resulted in unrelated things like tearing down statues and riots and looting by one race, which only serves to racialize things further...meanwhile in this "systemically racist" country of white supremacy which supposedly causes police to kill white people more often then black, we again have a mixed race person in one of the highest offices...

It's a police problem! As regards people in lower echelons of society of all colors. Not a racism problem! Yes, stick to the problem is all I am saying. Whittling down qualified immunity is an excellent start at attacking the problem. Not tearing down statues and looting.

This study specifically says: it's not about racism, that's all in your head, liberals. Can liberals manage to not be as conspiracy minded as many nuts on the right? Apparently not, anything bad going on has to fit into "the big narrative". Currently the big narrative is white supremacy and racism, a big giant plot by whypipple.

I know what's coming next: whaddabout all those racist right wing Trump supporting nuts that have infiltrated all the police forces? Ya know what, I think I''ll just say no to buying the systemic racism narrative on that one, too, l'll wait for the study that's probably coming down the road that says they happen within forces as frequently as in the general population. (Not that they should be, police should of course be vetted to be better quality people than any tom dick or harry general population. But still.)

Furthermore, if liberals had taken the fucking racism label away from this problem, they might have had a whole lot more good police on their side the whole time! Instead they reinforced police tribalism as a reaction.

Hysteria/"hot" yes, but most

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 06:11:42 +0000

In reply to You could blame the general

Hysteria/"hot" yes, but most people also don't realize the structural impediment of prosecuting police under Qualified Immunity going all the way to the Supreme Court, putting onerous requirements to prove way beyond any normal police duty to actually convict. This week's ruling starts to correct that. Sure, 27 is not very many compared to say 300 murders/shootings per year in many major cities, but we are emotional creatures, and it draws our ire due to its unfairness. Of course police can't be 2nd guessing themselves with every dangerous encounter, but the George Floyd indifferent callousness should stop. And then hopefully we can focus on structural urban violence for one.

Qualified Immunity takes a

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 06:04:06 +0000

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Qualified Immunity takes a dent

Supreme Court *starts* to show skepticism, actually a major step in police accountability vs invincibility

In a case brought by @RightsBehind, a Texas corrections officer beat a prisoner without provocation. The district court granted the officer QI and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed. https://t.co/nmNcvG4Abe
— Joanna Schwartz (@JCSchwartzProf) February 22, 2021

But the Supreme Court granted cert, reversed, and remanded, instructing the 5th Circuit to reconsider its decision in light of Taylor v. Riojas, a SCT decision from 11/2020 ruling no prior factually similar case was necessary when any officer would know what they did was wrong.
— Joanna Schwartz (@JCSchwartzProf) February 22, 2021

This may be how the Supremes take action on qualified immunity in the near future-not with a sweeping opinion doing away with QI, but with a quieter message, heard by the lawyers and judges who are listening, that it's stepping back from its most robust depictions of QI's power.
— Joanna Schwartz (@JCSchwartzProf) February 22, 2021

You could blame the general

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 05:59:31 +0000

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You could blame the general public for overestimating this figure by up to fifty times or you could blame a news media that rarely if ever provides the whole context when reporting on these events. https://t.co/rXlseu5Px3
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) February 23, 2021

edit to add Jilani's second tweet, which coincidentally makes a point related to the phenomenon illustrated in the graph in tweet #8 by Goldberg above:

I imagine that if you ran a similar survey in 2004 about how many Americans perished from terrorism on average every year you'd get similarly distorted results because of media saturation.
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) February 23, 2021

Myself, as to this chicken-or-egg arguement, I think there's a name for it used in history: mass hysteria. The media covers what's "hot" emotionally. In a profit-driven system, they can't afford to try to force feed news that large numbers are not interested in. (Yes, "click bait" nowadays...)

later additions to Goldberg's

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 05:51:47 +0000

In reply to 1/n A recent nationally

later additions to Goldberg's thread:

6/n cc @PsychRabble @wil_da_beast630 @PeterMoskos
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 23, 2021

7/n Worth adding that this pattern of results is likely more general than specific to estimates of police homicides. For instance, in the study below, liberals significantly overestimated the number of black job resumes per callback https://t.co/XVaK2KZZsj
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 23, 2021

8/n Probably a good place to plug my article from the summer https://t.co/jL01WtLs6P
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 23, 2021

Is there any information about how this data was obtained? It says in the pdf that n=980 but it says nothing besides being obtained by the "CUPES dataset" nor any indicators of limitations for this?
— Anthony (@GlobalistBoi) February 23, 2021

Here's some more info https://t.co/1VqR5SccDb
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 23, 2021

Would love to understand the *why* for rationales here. The data is the data. Are conservatives more accurate on this point because they understand the statistics? Or something else? Easy to understand progressive confusion off moral panic.
— Matt Peckham (@mattpeckham) February 23, 2021

https://t.co/dTnwuhC5aI
— Zach Goldberg (@ZachG932) February 23, 2021

“Please don’t kill me,” 30

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 05:31:23 +0000

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“Please don’t kill me,” 30-year-old Navy veteran Angelo Quinto pleaded as one officer handcuffed him and another knelt on his neck for at least five minutes https://t.co/lc2JZU4p1E
— The Cut (@TheCut) February 23, 2021

Wikipedia on The Skeptics

artappraiser — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:55:12 +0000

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Wikipedia on The Skeptics Society

The Skeptics Society is a nonprofit,[2][3] member-supported organization devoted to promoting scientific skepticism and resisting the spread of pseudoscience, superstition, and irrational beliefs. The Skeptics Society was founded by Michael Shermer as a Los Angeles-area skeptical group to replace the defunct Southern California Skeptics. After the success of its magazine, Skeptic, introduced in early 1992, it became a national and then international organization. The stated mission of Skeptics Society and Skeptic magazine "is the investigation of science and pseudoscience controversies, and the promotion of critical thinking."[4]

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