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Hopefully that message is

rmrd0000 — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:39:11 +0000

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Hopefully that message is heard by the right people

I was heartened to hear

moat — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:23:14 +0000

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I was heartened to hear Pittman's statement as it is directed to those who would attempt such an act.

Saying: We know who you are now. We have a functioning Executive Branch again. Maybe reconsider your plans.

Capitol Police chief warns

rmrd0000 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:24:59 +0000

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Capitol Police chief warns militia groups want to 'blow up the Capitol' when Biden addresses Congress

(CNN)Acting US Capitol Police Chief Yogananda Pittman warned Thursday that militia groups involved in the January 6 insurrection want to "blow up the Capitol" and "kill as many members as possible" when President Joe Biden addresses Congress.

Pressed by House lawmakers to provide a timeline for removing the razorwire fencing and other enhanced security measures installed after the US Capitol attack, Pittman said law enforcement remains concerned about threats by known militia groups "with a direct nexus to the State of the Union" address.

"We know that members of the militia groups that were present on January 6 have stated their desires that they want to blow up the Capitol and kill as many members as possible with a direct nexus to the State of the Union, which we know that date has not been identified," she told House lawmakers during Thursday's hearing on security failures related to January 6.

"We know that the insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol weren't only interested in attacking members of Congress and officers," she added. "They wanted to send a symbolic message to the nation as to who is in charge of that legislative process."

Pittman's comments mark one of the first times law enforcement officials have publicly cited specific threats against the Capitol and lawmakers related to Biden's expected address before a joint session of Congress.

While presidents typically do not deliver an official State of the Union address in the opening months of their first term, Biden's administration is considering an address to a joint session of Congress later this year, though a specific date hasn't been identified.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/politics/us-capitol-attack-house-hearing-pittman-blodgett/index.html

I'm watching the Joint

artappraiser — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 01:40:13 +0000

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I'm watching the Joint Oversight Hearing on the Jan 6 security failures. The attack is being characterized as an insurrection by white supremacists and other extremist groups. Downplaying militia, Oath Keeper, III%er, and QAnon roles means that they still don't get what happened.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

Our elected officials and possibly our federal LE leaders need a crash course in Anti-Government Extremism, how it relates to white supremacist groups, and why distinguishing between the groups matters (different goals, victims, and methods.)
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

Violent right-wing extremism is a big umbrella that is *significantly* larger today than it was four years ago.

Under that big umbrella, there are several subgroups:

White Supremacists
Anti-Gov Extremists
Single Issue Extremists
QAnon believers
Unaffiliated pro-Trump supporters
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

While there are hybrid orgs that bridge multiple subgroups (Proud Boys and Boogaloos and a handful of smaller militias) the overlap between WS and AGE are not as significant as many people seem to think.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

Being a racist is not the same as being an active member of a white supremacist group.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

It's not just this hearing. I just saw this on https://t.co/qRJobMAOKr pic.twitter.com/UvwjOWz8uH
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

I keep seeing people compare what happened on the 6th to Charlotteville but the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff is a much better comparison. pic.twitter.com/9B4kNz0g7R
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

Charlotteville: the goal was to unite the various racist factions of the Alt-Right and beat up antifa/BLM counterprotesters.

Bundy Ranch: the goal was to force the federal gov to do their bidding using the extreme threat of an armed confrontation.

These were different events.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

Why this matters: If you're a LE leader and thought that Jan 6th was going to be an extension of Charlottesville, your pressing need was to keep left wing and right wing separate to keep protesters from hurting or killing each other in the streets--not a Capitol Police issue.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

If, however, you understood that Jan 6 was a Anti-Gov Extremist event (similar to Bundy Ranch) then the attack on the Capitol and elected officials inside was a distinct possibility that Capitol Police should have been prepared for.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

There were many many many indicators that the 6th would be an AGE event, but even after the fact, higher ups still can't or won't see it.

So Anti-Gov groups get delegated to "other extremists."
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

In the hearing, former House Sergeant at Arms said, “We all agreed that the intelligence did not support the troops and collectively decided to let it go.”

They focused their risk analysis on the wrong movement.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 23, 2021

In terms of mission

artappraiser — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 01:11:41 +0000

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In terms of mission statements, this was a fairly diverse crowd, roughly 75% of whom weren't affiliated with organized groups like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, militias, and so on.

That means there were a lot of different paths that led to the violence that happened that day.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 26, 2021

I also found this at Axios

artappraiser — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 06:09:23 +0000

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I also found this at Axios very helpful, especially as it has available a PDF text of her prepared remarks submitted before she testified:

Feb 24, 2021 - Acting Capitol Police chief: Officers were unsure of lethal force rules on Jan. 6

By Ursula Perano

I looked for, but couldn't find, a full transcript from the testimony today with Q&A, it seems to take a day, as I did find that of the day before

Senate Hearing on January 6 Capitol Attack Transcript February 23

they have her picture at the top mistakenly (or is that Mendoza?), she did not appear on Feb. 23, but they have the full transcript of all the other guys being grilled

so probably tomorrow.

thank you!

artappraiser — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 06:05:59 +0000

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PeraclesPlease — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 05:38:58 +0000

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artappraiser — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 05:23:07 +0000

In reply to Phone Records Prove House Sergeant-at-Arms DID Ignore Pleas for Backup: Capitol Police Chief

The NYTimes has it in this video from the A.P., but I don't see many others stressing this part of the Pittman testimony, which seems to me of utmost import and which I heard on NPR earlier today .

She said they knew of intel about the likelihood of violence by extremists, and "heightened security", implying that they could handle that.

She says what they did not prepare for was large number of "everyday Americans" turning into to an angry mob, implying that one cannot predict a crowd of everyday Americans turning into a mob because they are angry and desperate.

I could not find a way to embed the video, here is the link, it is helpful to hear it in her own intonation

"Capitol police were unprepared for the scale of 'mob mentality'"

and here is

TRANSCRIPT

1:06/1:46

Capitol Police Were Unprepared for Scale of ‘Mob Mentality,’ Chief Says

Yogananda D. Pittman, acting chief of the Capitol Police, told a House panel on Thursday that officers were unprepared for the scale of the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, and were uncertain of when to use lethal force.

The department was not ignorant of intelligence indicating an attack of the size and scale we encountered on the 6th. There was no such intelligence. Although we knew the likelihood for violence by extremists, no credible threat indicated that tens of thousands would attack the U.S. Capitol. The department also did not ignore intelligence that we had, which indicated an elevated risk of violence from extremist groups — to the contrary, we heightened our security posture. There’s evidence that some of those who stormed the Capitol were organized. But there’s also evidence that a large number were everyday Americans who took on a mob mentality because they were angry and desperate. It is the conduct of this latter group that the department was not prepared for. The department did face some operational challenges that we are addressing. For example, the Capitol lockdown was not properly executed. Some of the officers were unsure of when to use lethal force, our radio communications to officers were not as robust and we are ensuring that our incident command system protocols are adhered to going forward. And re-implementing training in those respective areas. We are addressing those operational challenges, but I want to make clear that these measures alone would not have stopped the threat we faced. To stop a mob of tens of thousands requires more than a police force, it requires physical infrastructure or a regiment of soldiers.

I "get her excuse because she is thinking 9/11 or Oklahoma bombing style, that the true danger is from organized extremists. And that everyday Americans are respectful of their main buildings of government and not expected to mob around them.

BUT I also know NYPD operates on the presumption that ANY large crowd can turn into a mob. I.E.this is why they have long corralled New's Years Eve revellers in the Times Square area into little separated squares of like 50 for blocks surrounding, it is not as it appears on teevee, that is faked to look like a large throng. They usually do not allow large crowds, protesting or something else! This is why I tended to side with cops when with huge "BLM" demonstrations (actually led by pros from Brooklyn) when the did things like kettle protesters or react when the broke curfew or tried to break their line. You don't want a protest turning into a mob, which can easily be done with the right agitation by those who know how to incite one. In NYC, we do have a history to look at what happens when a protest turns into a mob that overwhelm cops, stuff like lynchings etc... They know that they need to be the ones to have some modicum of control if large crowds or all might be lost.