dagblog - Comments for "Louisiana special election results: U.S. House 2nd district (New Orleans, majority black)"

Troy Carter wins Louisiana

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 18:14:52 +0000

In reply to Louisiana special election results: U.S. House 2nd district (New Orleans, majority black)

Troy Carter wins Louisiana special election in blow to progressives - POLITICO https://t.co/uV4lQXpS9Z
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) April 25, 2021

Yes, boring is wired. Wired

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:51:32 +0000

In reply to this too, made me think of

Yes, boring is wired. Wired is tired.

Next year it'll be different, I'm pretty sure.

Yes, a lot of people dislike

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:49:51 +0000

In reply to I suspect that with the kind

Yes, a lot of people dislike conflict, and are tired of being splained to all the time. And outsiders may not be welcome (Northerners?) whether they make sense or not. And then there's the comforting male figure vs a female - i imagine that's worth 5 points right there. Still, getting the Republican *endorsement* surprised me.

this too, made me think of

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:45:41 +0000

In reply to I suspect that with the kind

this too, made me think of that. They all knew him by now, and likewise, he knew what they wanted to hear:

Running and losing is a great way to meet voters and build name ID for the next time https://t.co/YSx6jlhYO7
— Bill Scher (@billscher) April 25, 2021

He may have seemed boring before, but now boring is what they want?

I suspect that with the kind

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:43:06 +0000

In reply to Why a progressive wing fail?

I suspect that with the kind of serious voters that show up for special elections, the major thing is that when progressive candidates get endorsements from national figures that are seen as culture warriors (fairly or unfairly) and flaunt those, and then also indicate interest in some culture warring in campaigns, that's the main thing that bothers. Not policy per se, even on like, policing. That they are sick of that, and want peace and at least making appearance of trying to work with the other side. They want to send uniters, not dividers, to D.C., that that's the main alternative many want, they don't want "fighters" and zealotry? If you explained this or that progressive policy without bringing in talking about how the GOP is the enemy all the time, they might go for it. They prefer calm, grownup candidates who can't easily be trolled by right wingers into playing culture wars. I.E. moderate people not firebrands, not necessarily moderate policy?

This is what made me think of that:

"about 4 in 10 Democrats and 2 in 3 independents favor a compromise settlement rather than having the president resist changes and enact his legislation without Republican support." https://t.co/OUWTIxptqB
— Bill Scher (@billscher) April 25, 2021

Those 4 in 10 Dems and 2 in 3 Independents are more of the type who show up for special elections. They are actually into trying to legislate and govern and not just posture culture war messaging.

It's not everyone, of course, just enough to get like a 55-45 type result.

this guy mentions NM-1 and

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:25:34 +0000

In reply to Louisiana special election results: U.S. House 2nd district (New Orleans, majority black)

this guy mentions NM-1 and watch for same trend in upcoming OH - 11:

I know it’s still early but it looks like the more establishment candidates in the Dems special elections are doing better then the progressive ones, first NM-01, now LA-2, I wonder how if the OH-11 will follow this trend
— JM (@JohnSMichaelD) April 25, 2021

#LA02: Troy Carter (D) wins

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:20:03 +0000

In reply to Louisiana special election results: U.S. House 2nd district (New Orleans, majority black)

#LA02: Troy Carter (D) wins the runoff over Karen Carter Peterson (D) by 55%-45%.

KCP carried the Baton Rouge area, and did well in parts of New Orleans. But Carter won New Orleans overall, got 2/3 of the vote in Jefferson Parish, and ran ahead in the River Parishes. #lalege pic.twitter.com/cZsKBTbDyn
— J. Miles Coleman (@JMilesColeman) April 25, 2021

edit to add, she didn't even win a huge percentage of her own state Senate district:

I've outlined KCP's state Senate seat -- basically Uptown and Mid-City. She carried it 52%-48% (8.2K votes to Carter's 7.6K). Not enough. #la02 pic.twitter.com/mRRlHa4Eu7
— J. Miles Coleman (@JMilesColeman) April 25, 2021

Why a progressive wing fail?

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:46:00 +0000

In reply to looking like a MAJOR

Why a progressive wing fail? Centralism is trending. Biden's the good centralist now, passing stuff more progressives pushed for for years due to the crises right wingers made much worse - Bush especially for Katrina. Will the wise Morgan Freeman type win over the screeching female, esp. sidling up to the Republicans? Sure, bring on kumbaya land. Yeah, I'm not for defunding the police, but i also remember the way the cop went to Floyd's window with gun pulled screaming "get the fuck out of the car" as first sentence. I do think police can and should be less abusive and still do their jobs. It still pisses me off that take-a -knee was so controversial. Took 4-5 years for centrist Americans to embrace the obvious. They're part of the reason the messy riots are happening now - Kap was silently peacefully protesting and was treated as a traitor.

Whether Peterson embraces a compelling, useful model of reform along with reasonable solutions all the other ills plaguing NOLA is another matter. If she just comes across as an extension of tlThe Squad, that prolly doesnt okay well for many, justified or not.

Bit Carter's bit about sexual predators seems like a punk shot.

So yeah, progressives pushed for someone different and she lost. In the conservative south. No shame in trying. More shame in not trying.

Troy Carter, Karen Carter

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 02:51:28 +0000

In reply to Louisiana special election results: U.S. House 2nd district (New Orleans, majority black)

Troy Carter, Karen Carter Peterson clash in final debate; here's what they said

'Angry,' 'desperate,' discombobulated' pepper exchange two days before congressional election

BY TYLER BRIDGES @ Nola.com, APR 22, 2021 - 9:37 PM

Karen Carter Peterson staked out progressive views on issue after issue while Troy Carter repeatedly invoked President Joe Biden and said he would work with Republicans and independents, as the two candidates made a late pitch to voters Thursday in their third and final debate before Saturday's congressional election.

Peterson and Carter are New Orleans Democrats who have been political allies frequently working together over the past five years in the state Senate. But people watching the 40-minute debate on WWL television wouldn’t have known that as Carter repeatedly called Peterson a liar while adding at one point, “You’re angry, you’re desperate.” Peterson said her opponent has distorted her record and, near the end, called Carter “a bit discombobulated."

[....] discussed health care, policing in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, the energy transition from fossil fuels, how they should work with Republicans, missed votes in the Legislature and campaign contributions from outside groups.

People who have seen both candidates in action inside the Capitol in Baton Rouge would have recognized Peterson making more forceful policy statements, while Carter described himself as a Democrat who can work well with others [....]

Peterson, who has been endorsed by the national progressive icon U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, championed the Medicare for All program that would provide universal health care to everyone. She said she was the only Louisiana senator who voted against then-Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal's budgets, which after approval by her colleagues, left Louisiana with a budget mess. (Carter hadn’t been elected at the time.)

Peterson used strong language when Paulsen asked whether she favors defunding the police while crime remains a problem.

“It seems like every day we are losing people and Black people to senseless police violence,” she said, adding several minutes later, “The system is broken.”

Carter, invoking Biden again, said he would “smart fund, not defund” the police and added, “We should make sure we stand with the good police officers while we prosecute the bad ones.”

The winner of Saturday's runoff will be the only Democrat in Louisiana’s congressional delegation and will represent a district that stretches from New Orleans to a portion of Baton Rouge.

Peterson showed minimal interest in working with Republicans in Congress, complaining that U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise of Jefferson, whose district covers the White-majority suburbs around New Orleans, “unfortunately has not said that President Biden was legitimately elected.”

She also said, “There will be times when I can work with Republicans, but I am not going to compromise my values on Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, criminal justice reform, passing the George Floyd Act.”

Peterson, who chaired the Louisiana Democratic Party for eight years, also criticized Carter for seeking the endorsement of the Greater New Orleans Republican PAC, which she said supported former President Donald Trump.

Carter called her comments “divisive” and said, “Listen, when you’re elected, you’re elected to represent the entire district, Republicans, Democrats, independents and others. I will stand for those Democratic ideals that I believe in. I will fight for them until the end. But I will also come to the table to compromise to make sure that I bring resources home for the people of Louisiana.”

He added, “This notion that we can’t work together so we draw a line in the sand, and Democrats are devils to Republicans and Republicans are devils to Democrats, that’s counterproductive.”

As they were outlining their views, more so than in the previous two debates, the candidates repeatedly showed bitterness and anger toward each other.

Carter said Peterson has been portraying him in flyers, texts and a TV ad as standing with rogue cops.

“I have two black sons,” he said in giving a very personal response. Later, he said, “When they leave the house, I pray for them.”

Peterson took umbrage at Carter – when Paulsen had the two candidates ask questions of each other – for asking why she was the only senator who voted against a 2012 measure, House Bill 353, which prohibited sexual predators from residing within 1,000 of schools. Peterson said she didn’t remember the bill and accused him of trying to fool voters.

“You know that I’m a Christian,” she said. “You know that I have values because you know my mother and my [late] father. Don’t try to distort my record and my character to people as if I, as a Black woman in Louisiana, would stand for sexual predators. I am a victim of sexual abuse, so it is just nonsensical you would even say something like that. And you know that.”

[....]

looking like a MAJOR

artappraiser — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 02:31:58 +0000

In reply to Louisiana special election results: U.S. House 2nd district (New Orleans, majority black)

looking like a MAJOR Progressive wing fail:

Notable embarrassment for progressives in NOLA, who went all in for Carter Peterson... AOC/Cori Bush/Warren et al. EMILY’s List spent over $1 million on TV ads as well. To no avail. https://t.co/Lc9AeED1D9
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) April 25, 2021

And a big win for the forces who backed Biden like Richmond and Clyburn. Proves yet again that older black voters rule in southern primaries https://t.co/Frjd3kkjfJ
— Matt Boxer (@MattBoxer94) April 25, 2021