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I didn't listen, just sharing

artappraiser — Fri, 21 May 2021 19:56:05 +0000

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I didn't listen, just sharing it because of his summary comment about his agenda:

I sincerely want to try to fashion a way of dealing constructively with the Victimhood Mindset when it arises without victimhood. Glenn and I talked about this here.https://t.co/Ed4dGTSKxF via @YouTube
— John McWhorter (@JohnHMcWhorter) May 21, 2021

States object to CRT because

rmrd0000 — Fri, 21 May 2021 19:54:26 +0000

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States object to CRT because they don't want students to learn the true details about slavery

Every morning, schoolchildren in Texas recite an oath to their state that includes the words, “I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God.”

Now, a flurry of proposed measures that could soon become law would promote even greater loyalty to Texas in the state’s classrooms and public spaces, as Republican lawmakers try to reframe Texas history lessons and play down references to slavery and anti-Mexican discrimination that are part of the state’s founding.

The proposals in Texas, a state that influences school curriculums around the country through its huge textbook market, amount to some of the most aggressive efforts to control the teaching of American history. And they come as nearly a dozen other Republican-led states seek to ban or limit how the role of slavery and pervasive effects of racism can be taught.

Idaho was the first state to sign into law a measure that would withhold funding from schools that teach such lessons. And lawmakers in Louisiana, New Hampshire and Tennessee have introduced bills that would ban teaching about the enduring legacies of slavery and segregationist laws, or that any state or the country is inherently racist or sexist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/20/us/texas-history-1836-project.html

as Alice notes, this is fun:

artappraiser — Fri, 21 May 2021 19:40:14 +0000

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as Alice notes, this is fun:

A rousing defense of the 1619 project pic.twitter.com/vuvPV1BzzD
— Alice de Queens (@AliceFromQueens) May 21, 2021

as Jeet Heer is longtime national correspondent for The Nation. Though a P.O.C., I imagine from the name that the color is from SE Asian descent, so he might be considered one of those enablers of white supremacy who has infiltrated The Nation

I remember 1 of my brighter

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 21 May 2021 05:28:00 +0000

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I remember 1 of my brighter professors not letting his kid study calculus in high school cuz he'd "be bored in college".

I personally advicate much more time in data science, probability (including Bayesian) and statistics as much much more useful for the average student, the average future life, while calculus is more helpful for the engineering-incluned who can learn it later. (basic daily stuff you can toss in a spreadsheet and plot out with minimal knowledge - # of arrests, Covid cases, change in exports....). I've never used Calculus professionally or in private life, though i value it's perspectives to my thought processes (up integration for the bigger picture , down derivatives for how it's changing on the ground, multiple steps of abstraction in either direction, partial derivatives to get piece by piece localized views.)

Updated history still not

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 21 May 2021 05:18:53 +0000

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Updated history still not enough

(i liked the idea of correcting the vast mistakes around Shakespeare, plus his time in the gulag - what's that about - but not to be)

Save those old books - they'll be valuable.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/may/16/whos-missing-top-author-st...

Splitting hairs: black style

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 21 May 2021 05:11:00 +0000

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Splitting hairs: black style

(I'm quite a bit more sympathetic to the professional setting than just schoolkids wanting whatever freedom vs more important rules for academic standards & maintaining order/discipline)

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2021/may/20/black-actors-hair-mistre...

Why we study. (in part)

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 21 May 2021 05:06:00 +0000

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Why we study. (in part)

In 1 week up north i met more blacks than I'd met my entire life (and talked and joked with them) including Africans, more Hispanics, a Palestinian girl who when she said she was "from Israel" i stupidly assumed "Jewish" (yeah, eye prescription needs checking), "Lenny the Happy Hebe" was 1 of my dorm neighbors (when i stopped by groggily at 2am they thought i wanted the music turned down - i wanted it up more, hard to hear thru the walls - great collection), my roommate was a Catholic whose mother wanted him to be a priest (might have happened, really tender & devout guy), all the diverse girls who'd come through from the neighboring hall... half of everyone about as naive as me just feeling things out. Then there were the old timers, some nuts, some interesting, and the hall leads or whatever called, who were partly paid to be the elder statesmen & adults in the dorm (stern warning: no snorting coke with doors open, you idiot....), And then the TAs who were usually more interesting than the perfessers... But it only takes 1 to really make it all worth it - which may happen easier at a small school than big, hard to say (Malcolm Gladwell has a lot of nice stuff on why going to your "top school" might be your worst choice - for competition, for chances of getting published, just for feeling comfortable and not too pressured and actually enjoying what you're studying, or time to meet other people. I remember a TA complaining about this goofy gung-ho kid (i.e. 18) writing 10 pages for a simple assignment cuz he was pre-med max...

Anyway, this tweet made me think - a field is never consider, but i met lots of people in fields I'd never consider...

Even though he continued on to fellowship, he has still been a great source of advice and has always found ways to look out for me. A few weeks ago he asked me for my address and sent me his Practical Ophthalmology book.
— Sejal Lahoti (@Sejal_Lahoti) May 20, 2021

While I agree that this is a

ocean-kat — Fri, 21 May 2021 01:40:08 +0000

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While I agree that this is a silly reason to rename a bird there's this tradition in science that the, usually, man who first discovers a thing gets to name it. That results in ego driven men who happen to be the first in a new area to name things after them selves. For example the first botanist in Arizona has dozens of plants named after himself. Or the "father" of botany and modern taxonomy in the 18th century, Linnaeus, has dozens of plants named after him. The scientific term for a thing shouldn't be named after the person who first found it. They should all be changed to a more descriptive name.

John Mcwhorter from the

rmrd0000 — Fri, 21 May 2021 00:07:37 +0000

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John Mcwhorter from the podcast

I don’t have any trouble with critical race theory being at the table in itself. I remember learning about it in the ‘90s for various reasons, and thinking, that’s challenging, it irritates me a little bit. But I understand where it’s coming from. And it’s probably the right thing. And at the time, the fashion was to say that college campuses were being taken over by tenured radicals. There was even a book by that title. And what that meant was that there was a critical mass of professors who believed in this sort of thing. And that wasn’t true. I started teaching on campuses then I remember thinking, no, that’s a minority view that you hear about as part of your education, but it does not lead the campus culture in any way that I can detect. I found all of that just a kind of media propaganda. But these days, that kind of portrait of university culture and intellectual culture would not be inaccurate. We’ve had a very peculiar 2020 and 2021, where the new thing is that CRT is used in ways that are mean. I get where those people are coming from. But that is the, quote unquote, “CRT” that is eliciting such discomfort from people like me, and also a cruder sense among manipulative factors on the right where the idea is to go after CRT when really what they’re going after is talking about race at all against basically the Civil Rights Movement. That I do not agree with at all.

another even more excellent

artappraiser — Thu, 20 May 2021 23:53:51 +0000

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another even more excellent example:

This is literally so stupid it hurts https://t.co/9BwZryZdjX
— Nils Gilman (@nils_gilman) May 20, 2021

Math taught rigorously is multicultural, exposing students to Indian, Greek, Central Asian and Arabic symbols and concepts, from Indian numerals to Algebra () and Algorithms ().

Injecting Western racial categories into math is unintentional Eurocentrism. https://t.co/vPDURDa95K
— Russ Greene (@GreenPlusAnE) May 20, 2021

This is also true of STEM more broadly:

“Roger Bacon ... (1214–1296), a Franciscan friar working under the tuition of Grosseteste, was inspired by the writings of Ibn al-Haytham, who preserved and built upon Aristotle...”https://t.co/la2E33CH3e
— Russ Greene (@GreenPlusAnE) May 20, 2021

It is intentional.
— Darrell White (@DarrellWhite) May 20, 2021

Trying to practice the principle of charity here.
— Russ Greene (@GreenPlusAnE) May 20, 2021