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All of this: an invaluable

artappraiser — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 01:58:46 +0000

In reply to Pew Rearch Center Study of Americans and ‘Cancel Culture':

All of this: an invaluable response to the increasingly influential idea that the "main" censorship these days is from the right. Cathy reasons closely; the inevitable jibes and GIFs this will elicit will bypass what she has done here, which is to REASON.https://t.co/dIdE8ZbbtM
— John McWhorter (@JohnHMcWhorter) May 28, 2021

I've become pretty persauded

artappraiser — Thu, 27 May 2021 01:54:42 +0000

In reply to Pew Rearch Center Study of Americans and ‘Cancel Culture':

I've become pretty persauded that a lot of the Diversity Equity and Inclusion curricula and training modules really are quite bad (I've been reading Pamela Newkirk's Diversity, Inc)... <1/2>
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) May 26, 2021

...but that seems a more specific and distinct problem having to do with the incentives in the HR Industrial Complex than, say, some indictment of scholarship on the early slave trade or Tulsa massacre. <2/2>
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) May 26, 2021

Chris, welcome to the Intellectual Dark Web.
— Oliver Traldi (@olivertraldi) May 27, 2021

The 5 Mistakes that Apple

artappraiser — Wed, 26 May 2021 00:59:27 +0000

In reply to Pew Rearch Center Study of Americans and ‘Cancel Culture':

The 5 Mistakes that Apple Made in the Case of Antonio Garcia Martinez

Thanks to superfan @henrybelcaster for making this clip.

Full episode: https://t.co/pYjCuebuoc

cc @theallinpod @jason @chamath @friedberg @antoniogm pic.twitter.com/hI5KKetdLx
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) May 25, 2021

Back to stupid lists pedantic

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 25 May 2021 22:49:43 +0000

In reply to Santorum said there was a

Back to stupid lists pedantic mode.
Bye.

Santorum said there was a

rmrd0000 — Tue, 25 May 2021 22:41:45 +0000

In reply to So stick to the US - "cotton,

Santorum said there was a blank slate.

That is not true.

The colonists survived by stealing from the Native Americans

Santorum said the country was built on faith

That is not true.

So stick to the US - "cotton,

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 25 May 2021 21:56:00 +0000

In reply to Getting back to the topic of

So stick to the US - "cotton, rubber, chocolate, corn, potatoes, tomatoes and tobacco" - uh, none of these were discovered in soon-to-be US territory except cotton out west in Arizona, which was still Mexico until the 1830s/40s.
Will Rogers, seriously? Do you think anyone under 50 knows his name? Anyone under 60 actually know what he said? Maria Tallchief & Billy Mills? who they?
Yes, there were 3.8 million Natives in what's now the United States. Do note that most of the eradication - both intentional killings & disease, plus apparently natural population decline before the arrival - happened due to the Spanish, and that disease outbreaks were much smaller to the north, while the British didn't arrive until 1607. So when we white folks talk about "when we arrived", we're largely talking about Plymouth & Virginia, at which point the 3.8 million Natives in 1492 had reduced considerably. (French & Dutch traders may have reduced Natives by 90% in the Northeast before the Brits arrived as well, so still not quite the "we" in "when we arrived". [Santorum's 3/4 Italian, 1/4 Irish]
BTW, bringing over African slaves also wiped out Natives via African diseases - though again, this occured much more in Latin America.
PS - California was far off the US map until the 1840s. So really has nothing to do with Santorum's comment, whatever the atrocities.

Getting back to the topic of

rmrd0000 — Tue, 25 May 2021 21:28:00 +0000

In reply to I referenced another

Getting back to the topic of cultural influences, we can add Will Rogers.

https://www.ncai.org/news/articles/2021/04/26/ncai-president-fawn-sharp-s-statement-re-rick-santorum-comments-to-young-american-foundation

Im trying to stick to the United States.

Edit to add

Native Americans are about 1.5% of the population

Perhaps the reason that Santorum has a problem finding impact is that Native American numbers were decreased by a government sanctioned genocide

https://www.history.com/news/californias-little-known-genocide

I think the colonists did a

rmrd0000 — Tue, 25 May 2021 20:59:33 +0000

In reply to Ah yes, myths of the hunter

I think the colonists did a good job lowering their life expectancy.

I brought up the care of land issue because it related to whether their culture impact today

Edit to add:

You reference another continent

2nd Edit to add:

An add-on

There was nothing here

Slaughter away.

https://www.history.com/news/native-americans-genocide-united-states

I referenced another

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 25 May 2021 20:59:14 +0000

In reply to I think the colonists did a

I referenced another continent because I'd been through the "noble savage" porn for Africa references.
No doubt the idealization of the peaceful Indian in America is huge (like somehow they stopped ripping out hearts for human sacrifice once they got above Tejas?)
You do have a point, however, that the nostalgia for the Native ways is a Native American influence on American culture. But I'd argue that aside from hippie period of say 1960-1990, and a bit of Burning Man/Rainbow Festival retro tribalism (more acid than peyote), there's little Native nostalgia left in our internet-obsessed times now, just like communes have fallen out of favor. I don't see references to people gathering crystals or taking peyote/jimson weed, doing the Don Juan/Carlos Castaneda thing, wearing moccasins - it's mostly gone.

Ah yes, myths of the hunter

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 25 May 2021 20:13:00 +0000

In reply to For a long time the influence

Ah yes, myths of the hunter-gatherers,
ignoring their lower life expectancy,
ginning up the "peaceful savage",
pretending they worked less.
https://newrepublic.com/article/161593/prehistoric-myth-work-james-suzman
https://quillette.com/2017/12/16/romanticizing-hunter-gatherer/
https://frederic-38110.medium.com/the-myth-of-the-peaceful-savage-285371...
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterl...

So i suppose I should dig up the same myth-busting material on natives of the New World.
Native Americans didn't have the wheel, nor tamed beasts of burden, so their agricultural feats were limited,
and their change of nature primarily effected by fire. Natives were unable to cultivate the highlands as well. (no suitable tools) "large expanses of Anglo North America were beyond the limits of substantial agriculture" and agriculture declined after 1100.
https://people.cas.sc.edu/ajames/Research/Pubs/11%20James%20Pre-%20&%20P...