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He's pegged it:

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:48:30 +0000

In reply to Critical race theory battle invades school boards — with help from conservative groups

He's pegged it:

Disregarding concerns over the excesses of critical race theory from one side and dismissals of the useful aspects of CRT on the other leaves us with two fervent, imprecise, and idiotic sides opposing one another into oblivion.

My latest for @Newsweek:https://t.co/0kf9MoxRUe
— Angel Eduardo (@StrangelEdweird) June 16, 2021

My thoughtful friend @StrangelEdweird did it again. He made sense.

“The most frustrating aspect of the culture war is that it isn't a real war at all; it 's a conversation we are currently terrible at having.” https://t.co/uKyu03HURD
— Kelly Carlin (@kelly_carlin) June 17, 2021

It's quite something that new

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:44:58 +0000

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It's quite something that new laws and regulations to muzzle teachers and students are being passed coast to coast by Republicans who basically say "the dog ate my homework" when asked to justify them. https://t.co/yG8hummGuv
— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) June 16, 2021

I read through your links to

rmrd0000 — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:44:03 +0000

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I read through your links to Shant Mesrobian

No one cares what you think Critical Race Theory "really" is.

That sums up his analysis. He does not care what the theory actually says. CRT is not being taught in classrooms. However, bills aimed at preventing CRT in classrooms could result in white supremacy viewpoints given equal weight to anti-racism views. Mesrobian is upset by something he does not understand. He blames Liberals.

The reason for the fear of CRT

Critical race theory is an academic concept, a form of analysis developed in the 1970s and ’80s by legal scholars including Derrick Bell and Kimberlé Crenshaw. It suggests that our nation’s history of race and racism is embedded in law and public policy, still plays a role in shaping outcomes for Black Americans and other people of color, and should be taken into account when these issues are discussed. It has a clear definition, one its critics have chosen not to rationally engage with.

Instead, these critics have expanded the concept to stand in for anything that reexamines the United States’ racial history, from the New York Times’s 1619 Project to K-12 curriculums that dare to state (accurately) that the Founding Fathers enslaved people. It’s not just a lens through which to analyze society — it is, in the words of Russell Vought, former director of the Office of Management and Budget, an insidious form of “un-American propaganda.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/26/why-conservatives-really-fear-critical-race-theory/

My concern about democracy is shared by others, including the 100 scholars noted in the link

More Than 100 Scholars Issue Warning That American Democracy Is In Danger, Call For Federal Reforms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/06/01/more-than-100-scholars-issue-warning-that-american-democracy-is-in-danger-call-for-federal-reforms/?sh=14c9e93426f7

To me it's like: don't know

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 02:02:22 +0000

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To me it's like: don't know what you are talking about but it seems to have zero to do with anything said by anyone cited on this thread, starting with the first piece and including every comment.

Like you are on another planet from every single one of them, you are an alien with different brain circuits. Or you are paying zero attention to what is actually being said and just using the thread to rant on your favorite memes which are seem at the same time simplistic, repetitive and incomprehensible.

No surprise then when you express the thought that this country is lost (if I am reading it correctly that is) Did you ever think that maybe you really belong in another country in a very small isolated tribe that speaks your language and is more in tune with your thought processes, and that would be way smaller minority group than any on the U.S. census, I am talking real small. No surprise you project that others are in a bubble sometimes, because it's very clear you are in a very small bubble and keep your input highly selective and don't want to analyze or interact with real people saying real things but often make up strawmen to have arguments with

Here's the thing: the people left here on this website are here to analyze quality news and commentary together the stuff we are analyzing is written by smart humans. Not really to advocate for anything, much less argue with an activist alien and his strawmen supposedly representing a very small group of activists.

Here we go again

rmrd0000 — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 01:25:47 +0000

In reply to Critical race theory battle invades school boards — with help from conservative groups

Here we go again

CRT is responsible for people who didn't want to talk about race then not wanting to talk about race now.

Juneteenth holiday bill passes, but you can't talk about race.

Edit to add:

If the public is this gullible, there is no republic to save.

Edit add:

Arizona has a vote recount. The recount idea is spreading to other states. If the public doesn't reject the Big Lie, they are not going to reject the lies told about CRT.

interesting short discussion

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 01:22:21 +0000

In reply to Critical race theory battle invades school boards — with help from conservative groups

interesting short discussion between David Shor & Matt Yglesias & 3rd guy challenging about Democratic demographic problems in general, re "the party of the lefty elites" and race grievance:

Plenty of non-college white republicans are affluent, but there’s been a very real shift of lower income whites to the GOP at the same time Dems started doing *worse* with Black and Hispanic voters. https://t.co/DnA1eOovM1
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 16, 2021

The real cope is doing separate analysis of white working class vote trends, Hispanic vote trends, and Black vote trends without seeing the overall picture of Dems shifting to a less concrete, less materialistic ideology while telling themselves it’s what anti-racism requires.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 16, 2021

Gonna have to substantiate that last bit. Remember Twitter is not politics
— Alesis Turner (@Alesis_Turner) June 16, 2021

Democratic political messaging is much more geared toward educated liberal audiences than it used to be. If you go back and actually watch old CSPAN footage or old ads or old conventions it’s really clear that 2016 was a big inflection point.
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) June 16, 2021

I agree that the “grade level” of speech is higher. Less materialist? How might one measure such a thing? Certainly not in the amount of redistributive policy which has substantially increased
— Alesis Turner (@Alesis_Turner) June 16, 2021

Progressives (both politicians and party-aligned groups) used to deflect calls for race-specific remedies into solutions appealing to race-neutral redistribution, today they do the opposite and fight for prioritization by highlighting the racial impacts of redistribution.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 16, 2021

I understand you take a lot of flack for pointing out that the median voters interest in fairness (racial, gender, or otherwise) is less than that of young educated activists but you’re right and that’s the simplest way to put this message I think.
— Alesis Turner (@Alesis_Turner) June 16, 2021

the last tweet above was retweeted by Shor.

p.s. FWIW, I see they did do

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 01:08:39 +0000

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p.s. FWIW, I see they did do a thread on the NC bill if anyone's interested, starting here:

We at FBT are civil libertarians devoted to free speech. As such, we were wary of the "anti-CRT" bills in statehouses. But point out to us what's wrong with NC's bill, which stipulates the following:

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Public school units shall not *promote* the following concepts:

— Free Black Thought (@FreeBlckThought) June 14, 2021

food for thought about

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 01:03:48 +0000

In reply to Critical race theory battle invades school boards — with help from conservative groups

food for thought about tribalism in general:

This is one of our greatest fears about the new woke racialism.

If you compel white people to identify as a group, and tell them that whiteness means power and supremacy, how long before they embrace—rather than feel guilt—about the identity you've backed them into? https://t.co/hycMrBPbLs
— Free Black Thought (@FreeBlckThought) June 16, 2021

The reason why the Liberal

artappraiser — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 00:28:14 +0000

In reply to Critical race theory battle invades school boards — with help from conservative groups

The reason why the Liberal-Left has to believe CRT in public schools is a fake news conspiracy is simple: It's obviously really unpopular with the public, and it's a very energizing issue for conservatives and Republican voters.
— Shant Mesrobian (@ShantMM) June 16, 2021

I think deep down most liberals are at least a little embarrassed of this stuff and uncomfortable with it — the silly jargon and rhetoric, the deranged and toxic ideas, the Robin D'Angelo grifter types, the cringe HR department struggle sessions, etc.
— Shant Mesrobian (@ShantMM) June 16, 2021

But liberals only have themselves to blame. They fully embraced this stuff for political reasons and made it the ideological cornerstone of their political coalition. They thought it could be contained within politics and only be wielded for the purposes of accruing power.
— Shant Mesrobian (@ShantMM) June 16, 2021

That was a delusion. But now they're stuck with it, and the only way to fight back is not to defend it on the merits, but instead to pretend it's fake news, or pretend it's a debate about some esoteric academic theory, or pretend it's about banning lessons on slavery or racism.
— Shant Mesrobian (@ShantMM) June 16, 2021

If liberals are annoyed that they now have to deal with the Critical Race Theory backlash, instead of pretending it's fake news, maybe they should ask why their most beloved leaders actively promote its most toxic and deranged core concepts? pic.twitter.com/5Aad8D6fRv
— Shant Mesrobian (@ShantMM) June 16, 2021

No one cares what you think Critical Race Theory "really" is. Liberals stoked the flames of racial reckoning for political gain, and they're now facing their own political reckoning on these fringe ideas.https://t.co/a9ljXOZlAv
— Shant Mesrobian (@ShantMM) June 16, 2021

I might substitute this for his Nancy Pelosi headline quote:

The Embarrassment of Democrats Wearing Kente-Cloth Stoles

By Doreen St. Félix @ NewYorker.com, June 9, 2020

Caption: The theatrics from Democratic lawmakers, who wore kente stoles as they announced police-reform legislation, felt not just misguided but like an outright mockery.Photograph by Al Drago / Bloomberg / Getty
The announcement did not warrant such a visual stunt, but the Democratic Party, the party of optics and gesture, apparently could not resist. On Monday, members of Congress introduced the Justice in Policing Act of 2020, news that was bulldozed by the pageant antics accompanying it. Swathed in identical kente stoles, the lawmakers, intent on conveying solidarity with their constituents, only made themselves models of obtuseness [....]

It seems like the Democratic party as a whole will never learn to do the smart thing, to just say no to culture wars. Voters like them better when they do that, and Republicans then lack the ammunition to troll and distract, it's just that simple.

Heck just go back and do a quick review of Trump as president, what he did and said daily to distract, it was all about "political correctness". What do you need that for? How does it help anyone? It's really not politician business, anyhow, it belongs in the culture, you can't change people's thoughts with legislation, for chrissake. Neither "side" can through politics, it's not what it's for. It's a distraction from real business, totally.

Whatever. I made my point

rmrd0000 — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:52:45 +0000

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Whatever. I made my point

Toni Morrison said to ignore people who repeatedly demanded explanation. Your answer would never be enough.