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It's all relative. If you

ocean-kat — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 01:51:15 +0000

It's all relative. If you ranked every dem senator from most liberal to most conservative Manchin wouldn't be in the center of the pack. Even when there were more blue dog conservatives they wouldn't have been to the right of Manchin. He'd fit right in with them.

yeah good for her & Krugman

artappraiser — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 22:23:34 +0000

In reply to 70s economy lessons

yeah good for her & Krugman to bring up what they are there. I swear I am doing my own best not to look back with rose-colored glasses, there were times as a young person then that it was depressing, it looked like options were deadend for us boomers and it would never get better, PHD's driving taxis, BUT damn there was excitement and fun, and the troubles were always just a new challenge, like gas lines, or hostages, or Japanese buying up the country, or riots, or inflation up the kazoo etc. that everyone handled together somehow. WITH GOOD HUMOR in pop culture about it all, like in movies and tv comedy, I think that really helped most of all. All in this boat together messaging, that's what's missing today compared to then. Disagreements about how to fix it, disagreements about who is capable of fixing it.

BUT NOT all about "the other side" being evil, none of this sanctimonious shit we deal with today about intentions, everybody was and still wanted to be Americans, proud of it.

Makes me think of the 1976 bicentennial celebration and how was a big deal for "all sides": pride we had made it that far without disappearing as a country- hippies and gays and blacks and Reagan Democrats and tax-and-spend libruls and Buckley conservatives and rightwing Christians, everybody celebrated it, all Americans, all proud of the experiment, future challenged though it might be.

70s economy lessons

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 20:50:22 +0000

In reply to Economic Nationalism + Cultural Moderation = Electoral Goldmine

70s economy lessons

https://digbysblog.net/2021/06/you-must-remember-this/

Reminder - many of those Dem

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 05:31:48 +0000

In reply to THat's just a matter of

Reminder - many of those Dem majorities of the past included a bloc of Blue Dogs effectively making a quasi-Republican majority at times. Now it's a bit more say accurately labeled (except Joe) - most Blue Dogs pushed out & Republican crazies got elected (oops, is that a pejorative that slipped in?)

would like to point out this

artappraiser — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:28:43 +0000

In reply to “As I've noted over and over

would like to point out this quote from the Harry Enten CNN analysis. First, everyone needs to understand that this is a Democratic party primary and NYC does NOT have open primaries. You must be registered as a Democrat to vote in this election (and changing your registration must be done well in advance) and therefore only people who say they are registered Democrats are being polled:

The problem for Wiley is the very liberal portion of the electorate is relatively small (19% in the Marist poll). The moderate and conservative bloc combined are 45% and the regular liberal portion is 36%.

As I've noted over and over again, the Democratic electorate is a lot more moderate than people assume. Crime and public safety have consistently ranked as the top issue for voters, which has been a big advantage for Adams who is running as a law and order candidate.

so in this poll, only 19% consider themselves very liberal! This is what most New Yorkers get but outsiders don't: we are not a "liberal" city, though we are heavily Democratic. The "very liberal" are mainly those rich white educated woke singles and families in fancy Manhattan and Brooklyn nabes. The majority in all 5 boroughs are not like "those people", they may serve them but they are not them, often roll their eyes about them behind their back. DeBlasio gets the most grief when he panders to woke left of that sort and the least when he acts more classic Dem. Likewise, this might help people understand why there is support for Cuomo types, he is a tough talking Dem, not real woke.

But this low number of 19% of NYC Democrats describing themselves as "very liberal" surprises even me, I thought it would be a bit higher!

THat's just a matter of

artappraiser — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:07:38 +0000

In reply to This article is garbage. In

THat's just a matter of political definitions, though, isn't it? what the author thinks of as a centrist and what I also think of as a centrist, you don't. Your overton window is different than ours is, what it is. That usually has to do with where people put certain policy issues as to priority, making for the definition of centrist, winger, etc.

This article is garbage. In

ocean-kat — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 01:40:15 +0000

In reply to The Memo: The center strikes

This article is garbage. In no world is Manchin a centrist. Look, I'm glad a blue dog conservative democrat won WV instead of a republican and democrats barely control the senate because of it but it does no good to pretend he's a centrist

“As I've noted over and over

artappraiser — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 01:23:05 +0000

In reply to Economic Nationalism + Cultural Moderation = Electoral Goldmine

“As I've noted over and over again, the Democratic electorate is a lot more moderate than people assume.” https://t.co/cxWSr8DcRS
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) June 20, 2021

The Memo: The center strikes

artappraiser — Mon, 21 Jun 2021 01:14:29 +0000

In reply to Economic Nationalism + Cultural Moderation = Electoral Goldmine

The Memo: The center strikes back https://t.co/Ko2d5IV1xk pic.twitter.com/NpiL1JeRY9
— The Hill (@thehill) June 21, 2021