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On 9 December 2019, before

NCD — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 19:49:33 +0000

In reply to From Vanity Fair, October 22,

On 9 December 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Dr. Daszak gave an interview link.

In which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humans. From the interview link:

"And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new sars-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS,” Dr. Daszak says around minute 28 of the interview. “Some of them get into human cells in the lab, some of them can cause SARS disease in humanized mice models and are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals and you can’t vaccinate against them with a vaccine. So, these are a clear and present danger…"

From Vanity Fair, October 22,

NCD — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 19:48:54 +0000

In reply to Wuhan & the Rand Paul Fauci Quarrel

From Vanity Fair, October 22, 2021:

Instead of helping to lead a search for COVID-19’s origins, with the pandemic now firmly in its 19th month, the NIH has circled the wagons, defending its grant system and scientific judgment against a rising tide of questions. “It’s just another chapter in a sad tale of inadequate oversight, disregard for risk, and insensitivity to the importance of transparency,”

Very lame article. Since a

NCD — Wed, 08 Sep 2021 04:31:23 +0000

In reply to Inside the Wuhan lab: French

Very lame article. Since a conclusion the virus was made by grossly negligent virus researchers in Wuhan would lead to possible societal chaos, result in huge loss of faith in science research and governments, not to mention incalculable liabilities, it will never happen.

The Wuhan Virology Lab was using serial human culture cell selection and mice with modified human immune systems to create possible pandemic viruses, could those viruses have accidentally leaked from their labs? But isn't that a conspiracy theory, a fantasy?

May, 2004 NIH:

The World Health Organization has confirmed that breaches of safety procedures on at least two occasions at one of Beijing's top virology laboratories were the probable cause of the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) there last month, which infected nine people, one of whom died.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/conspiracies-covid-19-lab-false-pandemic

"On 9 December 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Dr. Daszak (contracted with the Wuhan Lab through his company EcoHealth Solutions) gave an interview in which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanized mice. “And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new sars-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS,”

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MIT Tech Review, 3/2021

"No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19

Here’s your guide to the WHO-China searchor the origins of the corrus.

...no food animal has been identified as a reservoir for the pandemic virus. That’s despite efforts by China to test tens of thousands of animals, including pigs, goats, and geese, according to Liang Wannian, who leads the Chinese side of the research team."

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/26/1021263/bat-covid-coronavirus-cause-origin-wuhan/

Inside the Wuhan lab: French

artappraiser — Wed, 08 Sep 2021 03:12:30 +0000

In reply to Wuhan & the Rand Paul Fauci Quarrel

Inside the Wuhan lab: French engineering, deadly viruses and a big mystery

By Eva Dou (China correspondent focusing on business and technology), Pei Lin Wu, Quentin Ariès and Rebecca Tan @ WashingtonPost.com, Today at 4:00 a.m. EDT

Unclassified summary of

artappraiser — Sat, 28 Aug 2021 05:09:30 +0000

In reply to Wuhan & the Rand Paul Fauci Quarrel

Unclassified summary of intelligence community findings on origin of Covid19: "Most agencies also assess with low confidence that SARS-CoV-2 probably was not genetically engineered; however, two agencies believe there was not sufficient evidence to make an assessment either way" pic.twitter.com/oVD5zdXlNY
— Eric Lipton (@EricLiptonNYT) August 27, 2021

And here's the link to the summaryhttps://t.co/VkonTmJ1zj
— Jason Leopold (@JasonLeopold) August 27, 2021

(both found retweeted by Laura Rozen)

Fauci undermined strict rules

NCD — Thu, 26 Aug 2021 18:45:04 +0000

In reply to Wuhan & the Rand Paul Fauci Quarrel

Fauci undermined strict rules on pandemic virus research made under Obama. The NIH rules were for standards and safeguards in gain of function research.

The Wuhan Bat Pandemic Virus Lab got 600K in funds from the US NIH which might have been blocked under the Obama rules. If it was blocked, it is unkown what impact that would have had on the continuation of the research at that lab that has been implicated as a COVID19 source. (see above links)

WaPo:

.... high-risk (pandemic virus) research has reemerged as a focal point because of speculation that such experiments in Wuhan, China, may have accidentally triggered the coronavirus pandemic ...

“The risks are absolutely real. They’re not intellectual constructs or hypotheticals,” (or 'conspiracy theories' I would note) said David A. Relman, a Stanford University physician and microbiologist who has advised NIH and other federal agencies on biosecurity. Eventually, he said, “something that you make or information that you release will result in an accident of some kind.”

aides to President Barack Obama, who were alarmed by what they saw as insufficient scrutiny of the research with ferrets. The NIH leaders and the Department of Health and Human Services pledged to subject the work to increased transparency and vetting. This included forming a review group of federal officials — known informally as a “Ferrets Committee” — to vet proposed projects for safety and worthiness. .... Collins and Fauci in recent years have ... undercut the committee’s authority, according to federal documents...

NYT science writer article,

NCD — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 03:40:58 +0000

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NYT science writer article, May 17, 2021, on origin of COVID19, see link.

Excerpt:

"I spoke about Nick’s article last week with Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, the renowned Columbia University virus hunter who was one of the five co-authors on the seminal “proximal origin” paper.

He favored a natural origin theory, he said, in part because he had assumed that all the Wuhan Institute’s 2019 work with SARS-like viruses had been done in its top-level BSL-4 lab, which was cleared to operate in 2017. (State Department cables from 2018 raised questions about how well-run the lab was.)

But later he learned of studies with Dr. Shi’s name on them showing that work he considers dangerous had been done in level BSL-2 labs, which he considers highly porous to leaks, not just in 2016, but in 2020.

“That’s screwed up,” he said. “It shouldn’t have happened. People should not be looking at bat viruses in BSL-2 labs. My view has changed.”

That is still not, as he pointed out, direct evidence of a lab leak. There is no proof of a leak.

But the Occam’s Razor argument — what’s the likeliest explanation, animal or lab? — keeps shifting in the direction of the latter...."

Use Your Illusion II? Strange

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:00:00 +0000

In reply to Slow My Access !! LOL

Use Your Illusion II? Strange or Estranged?
(talking to yourself & nobody's home? how do i relate?)

Slow My Access !! LOL

Jeff — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:14:48 +0000

In reply to Jeff, read the extensive

Slow My Access !!

LOL

For decades, scientists have

NCD — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:55:59 +0000

In reply to Can you elaborate?

For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one, but what if ?

The intentional creation of new microbes that combine virulence with heightened transmissibility “poses extraordinary risks to the public,” wrote infectious-disease experts Marc Lipsitch and Thomas Inglesby in 2014. “A rigorous and transparent risk-assessment process for this work has not yet been established.” That’s still true today. In 2012, in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Lynn Klotz warned that there was an 80 percent chance, given how many laboratories were then handling virulent viro-varietals, that a leak of a potential pandemic pathogen would occur sometime in the next 12 years.

The Lab-Leak Hypothesis NY Magazine 1/4/21