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new census numbers out:

artappraiser — Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:30:27 +0000

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new census numbers out -not that I agree with treating this self-id'd group as a monolith of any kind-but it's definitely news that many are making a big deal out of :

Hispanic/Latino Population Percentage By State, 2020 Census: pic.twitter.com/bjBOTDdF48
— Greg Giroux (@greggiroux) August 12, 2021

Here you can see that California joins New Mexico and Puerto Rico with #Latinos #Hispanics being the largest racial-ethnic group. #Census #Census2020 pic.twitter.com/sNZeCYyD9b
— Suzanne Gamboa (@SuzGamboa) August 12, 2021

oh lookit, retweeted by Bill

artappraiser — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 14:25:34 +0000

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oh lookit, retweeted by Bill Kristol, must be a phony pretend organization because we know the truth is that all Republicans are against voting rights and for a Trump dictatorship & Joe Manchin is in on that whole thing:

"I urge my colleagues, Democrats and Republicans, to come up with a bipartisan solution that protects every American's right to vote." - @sen_JoeManchin pic.twitter.com/mEvK4BvEWB
— The Republican Accountability Project (@AccountableGOP) August 11, 2021

edit to add: might as well throw in the truth that bipartisanship is an impossibility because: extremists say so!

for the umpteenth time, main

artappraiser — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 03:42:00 +0000

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for the umpteenth time, main reason why many Latinos defected to GOP in last national election,.large excerpt from

Criminal-Justice Reformers Chose the Wrong Slogan

“Defund the Police” is a disaster. Under-policing is a form of oppression too.

By Conor Friedersdorf @ TheAtlantic.com, Aug. 8

One thing in this debate is

artappraiser — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 02:51:13 +0000

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One thing in this debate is that @perrybaconjr the participants can't agree on which side is the conventional wisdom — he seems to think popularism is the generally accepted view among Democrats whereas I think it's just the opposite. https://t.co/Lb1gAyQj31
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 10, 2021

Both sides agree that ceteris paribus it's better to have popular policies and an image of moderation and also that these are not the only things that matter in politics.

But both sides think the other side is overstated and too influential (the difference is I'm right).
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 10, 2021

I think one test is that "Donald Trump won in 2016 ditching unpopular GOP positions on Social Security and Medicare" seems to me to be a contrarian position, with most media accounts frontloading factors other than his adoption of new, more moderate stances on major issues.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 10, 2021

Now I think reasonable people can disagree as to whether I am right that those acts of policy moderation deserve to be frontloaded.

But I think it's clear that they are not, in fact, frontloaded in most media discussions and that popularism is there not the mainstream view.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 10, 2021

popularism--as i understand the term-- seems like it's been the accepted view among Democrats... for decades? you won't get that impression on https://t.co/A33jmcR68K, but the campaigns in swing districts seem to speak for themselves
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) August 10, 2021

Yes I think it is influential among the tiny minority of members who run in swing seats, but not in the media or in the progressive nonprofit sphere or really with the majority of members or staffers — all those spheres regard the frontliners as annoying/misguided.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 10, 2021

no doubt, there are plenty of activists and progressives who advance some alternative vision of D victory (but never actually have their hands on the wheel when it counts). but the idea that they represent the "conventional wisdom" of capital-D "Democrats" seems quite odd
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) August 10, 2021

it's hard to measure, of course, or balance various elements of the progressive universe, like nonprofits. but it is hard for me to accept an utterly powerless "conventional wisdom," which can neither win a serious Democratic primary nor run a serious Democratic campaign
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) August 10, 2021

he added later

https://t.co/5w5Gwoj0zr
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 10, 2021

Your comments have nothing to

rmrd0000 — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 00:47:59 +0000

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Your comments have nothing to do with the facts I stated about Trump supporters.

you really need to go off and

artappraiser — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 00:45:08 +0000

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you really need to go off and start your own little country, you seem to have no idea to this day that this country runs on majority rule and the minority that are liberals cannot just take it over by saying they don't like all them others, the idea is to convince others that would not normally vote for you to vote for you, get it? Losing pure is not winning!

The world has changed so much

Orion — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 21:24:10 +0000

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The world has changed so much since 2004 that pretending it hasn't is the only way some people have to make sense of it. I'm glad you liked what I wrote, artappraiser. I always appreciated your honesty.

Among the reasons many have

rmrd0000 — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 20:35:19 +0000

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Among the reasons many have negative views of Trump supporters is:

Many Trump supporters do not think Biden is the President

Many Trump supporters believe the attack on the Capitol was done by Antifa.

Climate change deniers tend to be Republicans

People who refuse to wear masks and refuse COVID vaccinations trend Republican

Republican legislators are attempting to suppress votes and be able to overturn election results.

Edit to add:

As ore data emerges, it is clear that Trump was attempting a coup.

There is no reason to trust people who voted for him and continue to support him.

thank you so so much for

artappraiser — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:53:18 +0000

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thank you so so much for taking the time to write that up, Orion! sooo nice to see some well written nuanced thoughtful analysis here!

(and so getting so past tired of reading the same old bullshit political hyperbole I read on blogs in 2004, as if the world had not changed, it's really been such a constant insult to the intelligence of the other users here that we have all gotten too accepting of lowest common denominator input....)

While I was working in

Orion — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:34:46 +0000

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While I was working in Oakland, I had a black co-worker. He had gold teeth, gold necklaces and short, close cropped dreads. He did not look like Thomas Sowell. When politics came up, he strongly backed Trump and had thought it out. He said that "people who don't like Trump have no idea why, they just know that they're supposed to not like him." He said stuff about preferring honest racism to stealth racism and went in Trump's history dating back to the Central Park Five, saying that was really the only evidence anyone could pull up of Trump being racist. Co-worker and I were a bit stunned. The co-worker who was stunned was Pakistani and also supported Trump.

I don't think that liberals and progressives are prepared for people like this. They are still mentally living in a prism in which conservatives are the people we saw back during George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, lily white suburbanites who were all about evangelical Christianity, opposing gay marriage, and "peace through strength." Not even those people are like they used to be anymore - just go watch Glenn Beck's show sometime to see how much change happened in the 2010s. The people who could elect Larry Elder in California are so varied in the face of what progressive Democrats offer that it's actually a flipped situation, in which the Democrats are now the elites living in the past and the Republicans are the esoteric and countercultural ones.