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Sussmann to Durham: "what

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 21:14:23 +0000

In reply to Would you agree that in U.S.

Sussmann to Durham: "what exactly are you accusing me of?"

Reup: Michael Sussmann Attempts to Bill [of Particulars] Durham for His Sloppy Indictment Languagehttps://t.co/lSbfJiBDm4
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) October 7, 2021

Would you agree that one

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:53:00 +0000

In reply to Would you agree that in U.S.

Would you agree that one party making obviously misleading and distorted charges means they obviously have their head up their ass if not seriously up to no good, and that "innocent until proven guilty or at least with substantiated charges" might be an American approach instead of the Soviet/Saudi way of smear and dismember?

Since Durham has prosecutorial immunity, he won't be charged for withholding/falsifying evidence (see his fake burst October Surprise) and lying to a Grand Jury, but realistically he should be, as should his sponsor-in-crime Bill Barr. Remember lawyers are being disbarred for all the fake Kraken election fraud claims.

Would you agree that in U.S.

A Guy Called LULU — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:31:26 +0000

In reply to Aaron Maté's missing homework

Would you agree that in U.S. politics the act of proving one side guilty does not prove that the other side was innocent?

Aaron Maté's missing homework

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:51:33 +0000

In reply to With Clinton lawyer charged, the Russiagate scam is now under indictment

Aaron Maté's missing homework

(and how Durham misrepresented his case to a Grand Jury)

https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/10/01/in-indictment-accusing-michael-sus...

Maybe you don't realize how

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:47:00 +0000

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Maybe you don't realize how stupid this all is.

First, if Joe Biden sees a Republican kill someone, should he not report it? Should the FBI discount it because he's a Democrat?

Second, Sept/Oct in an election year in DC, *everyone* is a partisan, fully certain which party and candidate they support. The FBI would be morons to not realize this and question any politically tied tip.

(would it make a difference if I reported something - not having ties to the Hillary campaign and extremely limited connection to Democrats, but obviously more likely to support Dems over Republicans - would the FBI not try to discern NY bias/leanings, take my report without estimating true motive if differed from the obvious? Wasn't it obvious by Sept 2016 that Clinton, Bernie and Trump supporters had very different worldviews? Did the FBI have such a tough time figuring out this lawyer's leanings from his public statements and the law firm's clients? That said, if someone calls the FBI's anonymous tip line, to they reject the tip if they sense any political leaning? How'd they do with Hunter Biden tips, with Seth Rich reports, with Anthony Weiner reports, with Rudy's claims FBI agents were revolting over Hillary "crimes"?)

Third, did the Trump server *not* send 2,700 pings to the Alfa Bank server, among others? Was this *not* suspicious behavior? If the Trump server was feeding election info to a Russian server through a masked port, how would/should the FBI know (or should they?) Should Sussmann report it? Should he wait for a Republican to report it? Or should he just ignore it, even if it swaps election results?

Fourth, we just spend the last year with Republicans claiming all across the country that Democrats had rigged voting machines, had the dead vote, stolen votes, etc al. And the FBI investigated these reports - and the courts evaluated these claims, enough to reject 60 of 61 court cases, yet still Republican sham audits of various state elections go on. So why should we worry about 1 possibly partisan report of a possible election problem simply reported as an election irregularity with backing info *5 fucking years ago* yet not worry about hundreds of bogus claims with transparently false justification *all this year*? Sussmann is worth following 2 years, but these other election fraudsters don't matter enough because they're Republicans? Or how does it work?

What in the living fuck are

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:03:00 +0000

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What in the living fuck are you talking about? There's a fucking candidate for the President of the United States inviting Russia to hack his opponent, and holding meetings with the GRu and quid pro quo sessions with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower & the Russian ambassador at the Mayflower, and yet you have a problem with someone reporting suspicious pinging between a Trump server and a Russian bank server (among others) because the guy reporting it had some connection to the Clinton campaign when every motherfucking person who saw Trump's weird shit in the debates thought he was up to weird shit? And over 4 years that fucker never let up in dismantling government safeguards, including his corrupt Attorney General who secretly appointed this corrupt special counsel to do an October Surprise but got caught faking documents 3 months before Trump led an insurrection against the country and got himself impeached for a second time? Why exactly should I trust this lying sack of shit enough to read his 27 pages of bullshit supporting the crappy hit job he was brought in to do? And why are you such a sucker for obvious disinfo? You can't even come out and say one specific point tht Durham has right - it's all "read the doc read the doc" like your asinine "watch the podcast watch the podcas" crap - i don't have time or inclination for this shit - tell me what valid point you think this asshole is making in all this verbage so I have some context what to look for at least - otherwise it's just Aaron Maté and friends playing corn dog with the truth. I mean, some of the dumbfucks attacking the Capitol may have had a coherent idea or 2, but the posse lost 60 of 61 lawsuits on the way to meaninglessness, and you want to keep doubling down on their corrupt messenger who spent 2 years and only came up with a crappy single perjury count? Trump's committed perjury 10x before breakfast, as has Barr and other foundlings if this putrid administration. Mueller convicted or got pleas for these traitorous scumbags, and Trump turned around and pardoned them - doesn't that fucking suck, or what? No, Lulu wants to focus on 1 guy & a left out statement within the full Russian hacking scandal - seriously? Russians hacked Democrat servers and used data to influence the election along with foreign social media teams paid to spread disinfo, while the Trump campaign was happy to encourage it if not cooperate in the misuse of the data - deal with it. Cambridge Analytica's massive illegal work with Facebook was not a dream nor insignificant it was an attack on our democracy. Putin managed to manipulate a candidate who wanted to develop real estate in Russia - oh my fucking god. And yet 5 years later you're buying into a guy paid to wade into the minutia and not the huge terrible story?

I doubt you missed the real

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:58:33 +0000

In reply to when you have no facts or

I doubt you missed the real point of the article. I believe in your case the point is being deliberately avoided as it is by all the other pundits so invested in trivializing the charge so as to deflect from what the context, which is the larger story of scumbaggery which the facts, as stated by the author and if true, suggest and on some points prove. In your attempt at deflection from the wider implications of the reporting you come in with multiple Gish Gallops and ad hominem attacks spiced with obscenity which you seem to think adds weight to your rants. Rather than dispute the veracity or otherwise challenge the implications of the facts as presented, you take a tribal stand and try to justify deflection from evidence of Democratic campaign malfeasance with a tantrum about how bad the Republican scumbags are.

I am using *scumbag* as shorthand for characters who have engaged in scumbaggery related to this story and of course Barr and Durham are included on the list. It is obvious that they are acting totally cynically for political purposes. The lie charged in the indictment, if taken as a stand alone act and without any context, can be seen as petty and unwarranted considering that lies are in the lifeblood of so many political operatives and they normally get away with them. But there is a context in which the lie was made and screaming that it is wrong to make a big deal out of that one politico’s lying seems to be the go to defense while hoping that the screaming about Republican malfeasance, mostly in unrelated cases, will deflect attention from the greater story and get people to not notice or to simply ignore why we should indeed pay attention to it. You and many others really want everyone to accept that there is nothing to see here except for Republican scumbaggery, none by tye Democrats, and so we should all just move on. The author’s opening statement outlines what his investigation goes on to show and why the case is important and why coverage of it is certainly newsworthy.

In accusing Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann of lying to the FBI, Special Counsel John Durham offers new evidence of the fabrications behind the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory.

The indictment of Hillary Clinton attorney Michael Sussmann offers new evidence that the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory that engulfed Trump’s term in office was itself the product of fabrications involving Clinton’s 2016 campaign.

Although Sussmann faces just one count on a false statement charge, the 27-page charging document offers an expansive window into how the Russiagate scam began, and how Democratic operatives, intelligence officials, and establishment media figures dishonestly fed it to the public.

From that point on every reader will decide for themselves whether the alleged facts are correct, or conceivably so and worth further attention and consideration, and if the arrangement of them into a sensible, believable, coherent story is done accurately and fairly. In my opinion the article makes a strong case that while only one of the scumbags among the Democratic apparatchik [I am not saying that every apparatchik of either party are scumbags] may be provably guilty of only one criminal act, several others are shown by evidence to have in fact have acted stupidly and unethically and dishonestly in several ways that should be illegal. Expect career advancement of scumbags on both sides.

You, along with others who choose to defend everything Democratic and attack everything Republican, want to make the one criminal charge out to be an act of legal and political insignificance and in doing so gloss over and avoid the implications that scumbag Durham spent 27 pages outlining. The indictment, in its own broader context, is political scumbaggery of a different kind, but scumbaggery by R scumbags who have caught some of their D political opponents participating in scumbaggery of their own and The Republican scumbags are now trying to take political advantage of it. To be believed and accepted as an accurate picture, your characterization of the entire issue would require belief that there was no scumbaggery on the Democratic side but only on the Republican side during the 2020 election. That is just too goddamed dumb an idea to try to support by smearing actual journalism which reports some of that scumbaggery. And, a flood of out-of-context tweets and charges of Republican scumbaggery in unrelated incidents don’t make the Democratic scumbaggery in this case, which is the subject of the report, either legal or justified and certainly not something anyone should defend.

Marcy takes on "facts" (long

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 24 Sep 2021 00:55:00 +0000

In reply to Aaron Maté is 1 fucked up

Marcy takes on "facts" (long detailed post addressing multiple issues from Glenn Greenwald's fever dreams especially)

https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/19/glenn-greenwalds-invented-claims-i...

when you have no facts or

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:59:00 +0000

In reply to Aaron Maté is 1 fucked up

when you have no facts or evidence from which to construct a coherent rebuttal.

I hope this thread puts the "no facts" to bed, at least for those with eyes to see, ears to hear...

Trump fired Flynn as NSA 2 weeks into office because Flynn was too tainted by Kislyak and other Russian dealings. Trump dropped Manafort because he was too tied into Russian disinfo/oligarch enabling, yet he *continued* to send polling data to Kilimnik/Deripaska/GRU (KGB) and even went back to Ukraine pretending to help Yanukovych. Trump himself was secretly angling for years for a Trump Tower Moscow, including during the famous "golden showers" stay, while selling Florida & New York properties to Russians, yet claiming he had no ties to Russia. Trump campaign. Jared even before inauguration (in December 2016) was trying to set up private back channels with Russia. Trump himself gave top secret Israeli info to Kislyak *in the Oval Office*. All of this was before or during Trump's first 3 weeks in office. Yet Aaron "you are so fucking in Putin's pocket" Maté will také *any* Hillary or other remote link to pretend all this basic known Russia data should go away, just disappear. He is so goddamn obviously dumb and compromised. It doesn't say much for his followers either.

Durham's story is as corrupt

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:52:39 +0000

In reply to Aaron Maté is 1 fucked up

Durham's story is as corrupt a "narrative" as the one he accuses Sussmann of.

Note, for example, that Durham doesn't reveal whether Alfa research started before or after Trump asked, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing"?
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) September 22, 2021

Durham is clearly trying to build a Conspiracy to Defraud the US case based in part on the fact that researchers had federal data in their pool. Except before they did the research, FBI itself had decided it important to investigate Trump's ties with Russia.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) September 22, 2021

One point I made in this post: Former Kirkand & Ellis lawyer Bill Barr appointed John Durham, whose only crime thus far is that Michael Sussmann allegedly lied to the FBI about a matter pertaining to Kirkland & Ellis client Alfa Bank,...
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) September 22, 2021