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These are all pretend

artappraiser — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 01:04:08 +0000

In reply to Liberal frustration imperils quick Dem social spending deal

These are all pretend timelines without a full endorsement from all 50 Senate Dems. https://t.co/MsRbZ3ZFn9
— David Dayen (@ddayen) October 30, 2021

Will Rogers: "Do you belong

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 14:07:58 +0000

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Will Rogers: "Do you belong to any organized political groups?" "No sir, I'm a Democrat."

OK, now we got inside poop

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:20:04 +0000

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OK, now we got inside poop from Politico telling a story a little more chaotic and disorganized than mine which "ended in sheer Democratic frustration":

NEWS: Just before Biden's visit to the Hill, Jayapal told Klain that the votes still weren't there.

She urged Biden not to whip libs to vote yes, to avoid a floor failure before Europe.

And that's exactly what Biden did.@heatherscope & @lbarronlopez https://t.co/4jChksOqsw
— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) October 29, 2021

Jayapal recalled the WH convo at a progressive meeting after Biden's remarks -- which blindsided Dem leadership as they tried and failed to pass infrastructure on Thursday.

At a leadership meeting later, Hoyer summrized: “It all boils down to the fact that there wasn’t an ask"
— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) October 29, 2021

replies, of course, are a mixed bag where everyone has a favorite enemy to blame, which still sort of supports my supposition that we are basically dealing with two political parties with "Dems", not one, IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME THING, what I don't get is people not recognizing how deep and consistent the division; i.e., where the left still holds grudges against and dislikes the Clintons and vice versa. PLENTY OF PEOPLE, very politically active, ALWAYS PISSED AT THE GUYS IN THE SAME SUPPOSED PARTY. That's a political party? Of what? About what?

Doing the opposite of whatever Pramila Jayapal says can never really be wrong.
— David desJardins (@David_desJ) October 29, 2021

Shes in charge of a large caucus
— Gabe (@DogPhoenixWP) October 29, 2021

I didn’t know Pramila Jayapal was Speaker of the House.
— Carlos Williams (@Smart_Sapper12B) October 29, 2021

Jayapal is the chair of the Progressive Caucus, which is a subset of the Democratic Caucus.
— David desJardins (@David_desJ) October 29, 2021

And. Once again Dems are letting the minority of its party determine its agenda
— Carlos Williams (@Smart_Sapper12B) October 29, 2021

The median voter doesn't determine the Democratic Party agenda, but they do determine what passes. If 48 of 50 Dems and 0 GOP support a bill, that's less than half, which is why it doesn't become law.
— David desJardins (@David_desJ) October 29, 2021

Right, but this works from both the left and the right, esp on BIF which progs think is a corporate giveaway
— Gabe (@DogPhoenixWP) October 29, 2021

The left wants some hypothetical other thing more than they want the infrastructure bill, but they still much prefer the infrastructure bill over nothing.
— David desJardins (@David_desJ) October 29, 2021

No they don’t lmao where did you get this
— Gabe (@DogPhoenixWP) October 29, 2021

That’s what you do with 4 seats to spare
— Gabe (@DogPhoenixWP) October 29, 2021

Oh, come on, get it right. Biden left the decision on whether or not to hold a vote up to Speaker Pelosi, who postponed the vote until next week. First the Justice Whatevers wanted to see the text and then they changed their minds and said they wanted the bill. This is on them.
— NOT.A.BOT!! (@MarthaM00086745) October 29, 2021

“[Progressive caucus] told [Biden what to do]… and that’s exactly what Biden did.”

That’s a good summary of the Biden presidency right there…
— Walter Sobchak (@WalterSobchakSr) October 29, 2021

Last time Klain gave Pramila a call, he asked her to shut down members who wanted to withold their votes to include a $15 wage in last year's reconciliation. She obliged! pic.twitter.com/nRZPQbt4ni
— Neoliberal tears (@Neolibtears) October 29, 2021

Jayapal said on maddow last night that the bills would pass
— Nozzle (@Nozzle10546456) October 29, 2021

Republicans are going to take back the house and senate in 2022. And they can Thanks the bullshit and chaos from within the dems party. Love em or hate em, at least Republicans are unified
— Tyson Williams (@tysonw2222) October 29, 2021

They are sabotaging Biden’s presidency. They’ll go from drunk with power to no power.
— Glaze (@Glaze18701997) October 29, 2021

So who’s @POTUS ? Biden or Jayapal who BOOED Hillary Clinton?
— JW (@jwze62) October 29, 2021

So is Jayapal now the de facto speaker of the house? She's the main person now that cable news goes to.
— Nancy K (@NancyK07312478) October 29, 2021

the thread CONTINUES! no doubt even longer ones on other tweets of the story...strong either/or feelings always, continuous over decades...NOT "herding cats", two distinct political ideologies artificially joined in one party

Bipartisanship is defined as

rmrd0000 — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 21:29:22 +0000

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Bipartisanship is defined as making compromise.

Progressives want both bills considered together

Republicans would have no problem making a similar demand if positions were switched

If there are 41 Democrats and 10+ Republicans, the bill passes without the Progressives.

If Republicans truly want the deal, they can compromise

Progressives made dramatic cuts in the cost of their proposals.

Progressives have compromised.

Edit to add:

Error correction:

With 9 Democratic "no's" and 10+ Republicans "yea's", there is a majority

(Thinking House, but originally posted Senate)

Edit to add:

Boneheaded mistake re: Senate

However if there is bipartisanship, 9 Republicans are all that would be needed to overcome the 9 Democratic "no's"

So the way I see what went

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 21:07:28 +0000

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So the way I see what went down:

The Biden White House worked real hard to work out a deal with THE SENATE THEY HAVE NOT THE SENATE THEY WISH THEY HAD, asking progressive House members to negotiate down their requests in order to make a deal.
Biden announced the deal Saying everyone had to compromise and didn't get all they wanted, including him.
And at the same time he and Pelosi asked for a vote on the Infrastructure plan in time for his G-20 summit, to present as proof of progress rather than gridlock. Which they knew they had the votes for, including Republican ones. Because the 2,000+ page reconciliation bill was not ready for review in time for the summit. The big House Democratic caucus cheered "Vote!"
Pelosi insisted that the Progressive Caucus should trust the president that he will make sure what they bargained for will be in the reconciliation bill. Several indicated that they did not trust that would happen and would vote the Infrastructure plan down until the reconciliation bill was ready to vote on. She went to their Caucus meeting and was refused entry.
A 2,000+ page copy of the bill was rushed/dumped.
They did not trust Biden to protect what they bargained for, they want to hold the Infrastructure bill hostage until both are ready to be voted on together.
Therefore it's likely nothing will be accomplished until Dec., and no results from whatever is passed will start being seen until well into next year.

Sounds like a parliamentary system of 3 parties to me!

The Democratic party with a very slim and tenuous majority and an Executive in office,
the Progressive party that often as not doesn't agree with them because they think the Democrats are neo-liberal globalist capitalists in the pocket of big money,
and the Republican party which must unhappily fake being unified in protecting the delusions of a lunatic and criminal most never wanted as president but have to pander to because his culture warring for narcissistic gain is popular with their base (Which they brought on themselves since the days of the Tea Party: chickens come home to roost!)

Europeans and others with parliamentary systems should totally understand this predicament?! They just won't be working under any delusion that the U.S. is any more capable than they are, that's all?

so it's likely resolution is

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:01:05 +0000

In reply to Liberal frustration imperils quick Dem social spending deal

so it's likely resolution is more than a month away:

The new big day in Washington: Dec. 3. The short-term bill to extend transportation funding will go until Dec. 3. That's the same day that government funding runs out and when Treasury warns the debt ceiling will be hit.
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) October 28, 2021

p.s. illustrating my point,

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:58:46 +0000

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p.s. illustrating my point, from yesterday:

PELOSI specifically told House Democrats that she wants the infrastructure bill passed by the time BIDEN lands in rome tonight.
— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 28, 2021

dang lost a long complex

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:11:37 +0000

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dang lost a long complex reply to you having too many windows open and a slippery touch pad that needs adjustment. probably better that I let what I was saying ruminate a while anyways and try again later.

The one point I was ending with is important tho: the thing Pelosi said about "don't let our president go on his trip without passing this bill". I get why she said that, and also made a couple other comments in recent days about "supporting our president". Only because I heard an NPR report just a few hours before about the problems of Biden addressing G-20.

After the other countries have had the experiences of the Trump admin. shocking them about what the U.S. population is really about, the Biden rapid and unexpected pullout from Afghanistan, and things like France being angry about the submarine deal, etc. This is a super important meeting, they have to hash out all kinds of things on the world economy under covid and supply chain problems and things like truckers saying "take this job and shove it" allover the world, and the whole urgency of climate problems.

She is fearing, like the folks on the NPR segment, that other countries just don't trust the U.S. anymore and are going to say: gee you're a nice guy but why should I trust any damn thing you suggest when you can't even get your own party to pass an infrastructure bill? Your country is doubly nuts, first you throw Trumpism at us, then send you who can't even rally your own party to your bills. That's why they wanted this vote. And I suspect that's also why many in the main caucus meeting cheered "vote!" as well.

repost of tweet at bottom of

artappraiser — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 17:00:42 +0000

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repost of tweet at bottom of thread:

NEW: A source familiar with ongoing BIF whip count tells me 9 House Dems are considered “hard no”, pledging to vote down BIF if it comes up for a vote. Speaker Pelosi does not like to count GOP votes in her official count, but at least 10 House R’s are expected to vote for BIF
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) October 28, 2021

done with you.

Where is the bipartisanship?

rmrd0000 — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:35:31 +0000

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Where is the bipartisanship?

Edit to add:

You keep yammering about bipartisanship. There has been zero effort on the part of Republicans to reach across the aisle on major bills. At the same time Republicans are trying to suppress efforts to investigate January 6th. In state after state, Republicans are crafting voting laws to make certain only Republicans can win.Two corporate Democrats are working to decrease the impact of the infrastructure and safety net bills. From your bubble, you place the blame at the door of the Progressives.