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It's all racism, all personal

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 05:23:18 +0000

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It's all racism, all personal

Welcome to the internet. Colleges are safe.

I noticed that as well, which highlighted the disingenuousness of his subsequent tweets about not wanting this to be personal and acknowledging the precipitous ad hominem attacks. PLEASE.
— Miss Roland (@RegalHarvester) November 12, 2021

The nuances of this debate

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 05:18:57 +0000

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The nuances of this debate are taught in college classes and are part of PhD comprehensive exams for a reason. Lots of hard-to-parse evidence. Fierce arguments with moral significance. Robust counterarguments. This explanation doesn’t appear anywhere because it’s nonsense.
— Will Quinn (@wc_quinn) November 11, 2021

But you called the historical consensus “propaganda”, and now you say you’re not an expert. It really speaks to the reliability of all your work, which has already been roundly criticized. There’s a pattern.
— Jam01 (@Jadamguy) November 12, 2021

I think it’s a poorly supported argument and isn’t taken seriously. But I also want to say: a) this wasn’t meant personally but as a response to commentary on history from someone who carries weight with people and b) I was focusing on this comment, not anyone else’s agenda.
— Will Quinn (@wc_quinn) November 12, 2021

Absolutely no one is unaware that the US A-bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima, so there's nothing to "gloss over". We firebombed every other Japanese "civilian city" (besides Kyoto). If A-bombs never existed, we would have simply fire-bombed those 2 cities as well. She's simply wrong.
— Depth Grammar (@depthgrammar) November 12, 2021

Don't bring a spoon to a gunfight

It also comes to mind that

rmrd0000 — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 04:29:59 +0000

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It also comes to mind that Black Progressives may find little reason to come to Hillsdale for education of World War II because family members reminded them of the Double V campaign. Blacks fought for victory overseas against Germany, Italy, and Japan, and at home from segregation and race. One would expect this reality to be a mere afterthought in a story told by Hillsdale.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/double-v-victory

The natural response would be to look to other sources for the full story of World War Two. Perhaps the Hillsdale reputation keeps others from entering the spaces you quote.

Edit to add

I think everyone Progressive, Independent, Centrist, Conservative, etc. feels sadness and a slight chill when they visit the Pearl Harbor Museum. You look down and realize that sailors and Marines are entombed. You note that the submarine is still leaking oil after all these years.

Black Progressives sites may

rmrd0000 — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 18:46:51 +0000

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Black Progressives sites may have a slightly different take on WWII because of how Black members of the military were treated, but there is no lack of patriotism in the stories told.

Names and units that come to mind and are talked about with pride include

Doris (Dorie Miller)

https://www.tamupress.com/book/9781623496029/doris-miller-pearl-harbor-and-the-birth-of-the-civil-rights-movement/

761sst "Black Panthers" tank battalion

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/black-panthers-761st-tank-battalion

784th tank battalion

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/african-american-784th-tank-battalion

The 404the female band

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/seventy-five-years-ago-militarys-only-all-black-female-band-won-victory-against-war-department-180971815/

Blacks in the Women's Army Corp

https://www.army.mil/article/181382/sorting_the_mail_blazing_a_trail_african_american_women_in_wwii

and obviously

The Tuskegee Airmen

https://www.tuskegee.edu/support-tu/tuskegee-airmen

I disagree that Progressives are not paying attention to World War II

Edit to add:

I think as other groups reviewers the events of World War II, they may have a different perspective

This does not mean that they are any less patriotic

In fact, Hannah Nikole Jones opened the NYT 1619 essays with the story of her father who faced segregation and racism when he served in the military, but still patriotically flew the flag of the United States outside his home.

There are darker stories like those of 14 Black soldiers massacre by Nazis and the support Japan received from Black Muslims, but I think, if anything, a deeper dive is being done into how different groups survived World War II. They are all American stories.

You're just not looking hard

artappraiser — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 07:00:18 +0000

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You're just not looking hard enough! I see it all the time. For example, a very famous "progressive" student of history (and professor of journalism) just found out all kinds of stuff she wants to teach the public on her "fact finding" trip to Hiroshima:

Man, this is why Twitter is so dangerous. You can get lured into an egregious error just going back and forth with an anonymous account with 6 followers https://t.co/2o9nCfLXEV pic.twitter.com/wpQuSAghoP
— Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill) November 11, 2021

He's basically got her number

The problem with Nikole Hannah Jones' take on history is not that it's wrong (that's a maybe) but that she's absolutely sure of it. She essentially says 'this is the way it was.' Actual historians understand that history is constant debate, interpretation and reinterpretation.
1/ pic.twitter.com/x3zvd1dc4d
— Carl (@HistoryBoomer) November 11, 2021

She claims to be replacing propaganda for truth.
First, it's a bit of a straw man. I was never taught that "America is the greatest country on the earth" in any of my history classes. I'm sure it happens but it's no longer the mainstream history standard.
2/
— Carl (@HistoryBoomer) November 11, 2021

Second, she's offering not real history but her own kind of propaganda, a vision of America as a barbaric nation irredeemably stained by the sin of slavery. The truth is more complex, nuanced, and ever-shifting. Ideologues don't generally make good historians.
3/x
— Carl (@HistoryBoomer) November 11, 2021

Whypipple and most progressives are not proper historians is the current ideology, unless they are willing to research white colonialist agenda since the 1400's. Here's some whypipple trying to excuse it all with lies. They've always trying to cover up their imperialist colonialist agenda with lies:

I teach the end of WWII in Asia in an undergrad course called “America’s Wars in Asia.” This is just historically inaccurate. https://t.co/HIzqcnB3rm
— Sheena Chestnut Greitens (@SheenaGreitens) November 11, 2021

Japan surrendered not just after 2 atomic bombings, but when *faced w/prospect of a 2-front invasion* projected to cost millions of (US & Japanese) lives. There's real moral debate to have on the bombing itself, but we must understand historical context accurately to do so.
— Sheena Chestnut Greitens (@SheenaGreitens) November 11, 2021

Same course covers role of racial ideologies (in both Japan & US) in shaping wartime conduct. We don't tend to think of Pacific War in racial terms as much as Europe (bc the Holocaust is so glaring), but it mattered. We read Dower, War w/o Mercy: https://t.co/1Mz92wO4Ol
— Sheena Chestnut Greitens (@SheenaGreitens) November 11, 2021

Here is an excellent review of historical debate on this from @wc_quinn : https://t.co/uktYS3r88P
— Sheena Chestnut Greitens (@SheenaGreitens) November 11, 2021

One possibility is that

rmrd0000 — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 00:27:21 +0000

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One possibility is that Progressives are researching military history, but not taking the Conservative approach of Hillsdale College.