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from the second tweet, if

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 04:46:00 +0000

In reply to After a day of uncertainty,

from the second tweet, if true, certainly blows a hole in the "Maserati Manchin" meme: He said they need tax reform to force the rich to pay more, per a source. Conservative about deficit spending? yes absolutely (and granted, many with chops on topic think that silly in this situation). But a fuck-the-poor "Maserati Manchin"? No. (Actually, he's more like onea them "tax-and-spend libruls" that Republicans used to talk about long ago.)

I'd suggest people go back and read, or re-read, the Slate article at the top of this thread. A lot of the disagreement is a belief that a lot of these programs won't last any longer than the current Congress and therefore won't accomplish a thing, so a lot like throwing money in the wind.

After a day of uncertainty,

artappraiser — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 04:26:58 +0000

In reply to Biden& Manchin spoke last

After a day of uncertainty, Manchin is, in fact, on the call with Senate Dems tonight as they discuss their path forward, per two sources familiar with the matter
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

Manchin addressed the caucus, I’m told. He said he’s consistent for the past five months, saying inflation is a problem and noting he has been raising geopolitical concerns as well. He said they need tax reform to force the rich to pay more, per a source
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

Manchin told the caucus, per another source: “Inflation is a serious issue. These programs will cost more than they are saying. I can’t add to the debt.”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

Schumer told caucus they would still hold procedural vote on BBB. In Senate language, he said, per source: “In the new year, we will have a vote on the Motion to Proceed to the House-passed bill.”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

He added: “At this time, it is my intention to make the Senate substitute amendment the current Senate text as published and shared with your offices, unless we are able to reach an agreement on modifications acceptable to the entire caucus ahead of that.”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

Manchin told his colleagues he would keep talking, per source, but he made clear he has lots of concerns with current bill.
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

Manchin spox: “This evening Senator Manchin had an honest conversation with his colleagues for whom he has a great deal of respect.”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 22, 2021

Biden& Manchin spoke last

artappraiser — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 22:20:27 +0000

In reply to 'It’s Time for Democrats to Buck Up and Give Joe Manchin What He Wants'

Biden& Manchin spoke last night and agreed to continue negotiations on BBB……,..,,,,https://t.co/O7NLOtmUGA
— Sherry M (@liberalinohio) December 21, 2021

Strategically at this point I

artappraiser — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 13:41:21 +0000

In reply to 'It’s Time for Democrats to Buck Up and Give Joe Manchin What He Wants'

Strategically at this point I'm not sure what's wise but "Manchin banks points at home by killing BBB" is 100% true and also his prime motivation.

A lot of strategy discourse evades this obvious fact. https://t.co/90JPT4QPpb
— Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 19, 2021

To add to what Alice is saying: This (and divisions within the GOP) is why Trump could never get a budget that cut funding to Planned Parenthood (his budgets increased it), the NEA, the NEH, etc—all the culture war stuff everyone tells me they care about so much. If anything, https://t.co/EQYH4yZSkf
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 19, 2021

the Dems are closer to getting what they want than the GOP ever was. I don't say this to make anyone feel better—what the Dems want or can get is nowhere near what we need—but instead to shift our focus from weak Dems and strong Republicans and evil Manchin to 10 years of parties
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 19, 2021

holding all the levers of government and still not being able to execute their will. We face two challenges to democracy, in other words: on the one hand, a party that wants to undermine elections; on the other, a system that makes it increasingly difficult for any party to
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 19, 2021

execute its will, even if that will represents the will of the majority. For all the talk of a new GOP unleashing its fascist will upon the world, the reality is a system of two parties of near paralysis (particularly when we think about the scale of the problems we're facing).
— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) December 19, 2021

I'm not much of a Biden fan but anyone who says "Senator X is the real president" is simply describing our system of government
— Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 19, 2021

To be clear again: it's not *Manchin* who's the real power over spending. It's Congress. And it always has been Congress. This is literally how our government was designed.

And yeah, I'd do a lot of things differently if I could redraft the Constitution.
— Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 19, 2021

What would you do differently? Madisonian electoral-filtration?
— Aaron Gwyn (@AmericanGwyn) December 19, 2021

parliamentary system with a strong bill of rights
— Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 19, 2021

This makes a lot of sense, but have you considered a more effective tack may be simply accusing your interlocutor of denying the validity of the election, and insisting that Joe Biden is indeed the President?
— catspaw (@nastypnasty) December 19, 2021

idgi. manchin doesn't deny the election result
— Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 19, 2021

I feel like most people would want a system where one person did not have much power and not realize that that's what congress already is
— Manzell Beezy (@BeezyManzell) December 19, 2021

exactly.
— Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 19, 2021

this does not at all strike

artappraiser — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 00:13:52 +0000

In reply to 'It’s Time for Democrats to Buck Up and Give Joe Manchin What He Wants'

this does not at all strike me as a smart or effective way of fighting back, it actually may make things worse:

AOC said she thought her district had as many residents as West Virginia, on “Morning Joe” today.

West Virginia pop: 1.79M residents
NY-14 pop: 750,000 residents
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) December 20, 2021

AOC: “What we really need to do is crack down on the Senate, which acts like an old boys’ club…”
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) December 20, 2021

just people on Twitter can counter it right away:

“I’m not an expert but…” + “WE need to crack down on [elected senators]” = only 2.7% of her district’s voters voted + over 90% of her donations are from out of STATE.
— Irka (@IrkaLive) December 20, 2021

She's a congress woman bc she got like 1,100 more votes than Joe Crowley in a primary.
— MATTMcAllister (@Catfatmatty) December 20, 2021

It doesn't matter. WV is a state. I guess we add the Constitution to the list of things AOC doesn't understand.
— Ben Ellis (@another_ellis) December 20, 2021

Well, her life is going to change dramatically in 2023 when she is in the minority in the house for the first time
— Andre Powell, CPA (@apowe003) December 20, 2021

Translated: it needs more tantrums and foot-stomping.
— RegulatoryCreep (@DKWhitaker) December 20, 2021

Yes, heaven forbid other parts of the country think differently than AOC. Maybe it is not a good ol' boys club but how other parts of the country think. She is some kind of special.
— William Latta (@Latta2de) December 20, 2021

Shouting at them, apparently.
— Sir Humphrey (@bdquinn) December 20, 2021

How does it act like an old boys club lol? Bc they don’t do exactly what she wants?
— Greg Palmer (@Palmer102420) December 20, 2021

And Manchin wants this

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 06:33:02 +0000

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And Manchin wants this negotiated on the front page? Painfully?

Personally, I feel happy and

artappraiser — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:48:40 +0000

In reply to The Manchin long con

Personally, I feel happy and grateful every day that a state as conservative as West Virginia is represented by someone as progressive as Joe Manchin.

It’s not his fault that Democratic candidates didn’t successfully sell this agenda in Maine or Florida or a dozen other states.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 19, 2021

.@RonWyden releases outline

artappraiser — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:47:30 +0000

In reply to 'It’s Time for Democrats to Buck Up and Give Joe Manchin What He Wants'

.@RonWyden releases outline for the pillars of an updated BBB that might fit Sen. Manchin’s criteria while also bringing along progressives.

-Long-term expansion of the current child tax credit

-Tech neutral energy tax incentives

-Rx drug price control pic.twitter.com/7suosi26ja
— Colin Wilhelm (@colinwilhelm) December 19, 2021

The Manchin long con

artappraiser — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 04:45:27 +0000

In reply to 'It’s Time for Democrats to Buck Up and Give Joe Manchin What He Wants'

The Manchin long con (rejecting entreaties to switch parties, backing ARP, voting for the reconciliation instructions, confirming Biden's judges) has an endgame of ... getting money for EVs, mass transit, and clean water added to a highway bill? https://t.co/pvnBrlTeJr
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 19, 2021

Well, he's a libertarian now,

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 00:44:01 +0000

In reply to Maybe I'm wrong, but I think

Well, he's a libertarian now, so "oligarchy" means any of those bad awful people. Like "Dems+Reps".