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A lot of the American blacks

artappraiser — Sat, 19 Feb 2022 22:01:15 +0000

A lot of the American blacks on here only claim to be American when in opposition to an African or other foreign “black.” Very fascinating.
— Barrington Martin II (@_BarringtonII) February 19, 2022

"The ideology of defunding

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:40:08 +0000

In reply to MINORITY POPULATION DEMOGRAPHICS- new research (continued in comments)

"The ideology of defunding the police, of destroying the oil and gas industry and the chaos at our border is disastrous for those of us who live here in South Texas."
Opinion: Why Latinos are turning to the Republican Party - CNN

Yet they don't quite explain why that happened when it did...

But after Hillary Clinton won Zapata County, a county along the Mexico border, by almost 33 points in 2016, it turned red in 2020. Webb County, another border county, doubled its Republican turnout from 2016. And, in Starr County, south of Webb, Republicans recorded a 55% shift from 2016, the single biggest swing to the right in the entire country.

So Democrats scared off Tejanos post-2016? All from some BLM protests, or chaos at the border?

Rule of law decided by the

artappraiser — Sun, 13 Feb 2022 21:41:28 +0000

In reply to More like: people HAVE

Rule of law decided by the majority is crucial to maintaining tolerance. The courts are the place for ensuring minority civil rights. That's the key to being a uniter not a divider. Those with grievances against majority rule don't get to burn down police stations or block bridges involved with global trade that the majority agree should be operational:

Now Trudeau’s Liberals, to be fair, were elected with a relatively small share of the vote in Canada’s multiparty system.

But the opposition on the left is also against crippling cross-border trade and the capital. https://t.co/5lfG698IG1
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 13, 2022

Everyone is entitled to be treated respectfully, but these kind of protests are implicitly making a pretty dramatic claim about the illegitimacy of the regularly constituted authorities — an argument that doesn’t seem remotely plausible in the case of Canadian Covid-19 policy.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 13, 2022

The words he's using here are crucial illegitimacy of regularly constituted authorities, that's when breakdown into tribalism happens. Rule of law is crucial. If you have tribal grievances about fairness of the rule of law, you take it to the judicial system (that's why nonviolent protest theory accepts, even welcomes, arrest.)

More like: people HAVE

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:22:00 +0000

In reply to More like: people HAVE

More like: people HAVE changed because of the extremists enabled by Trump trolling of culture wars:

partly that, partly some normal observant people observing developments and being shocked by cynical callous maneuver (or inexcusable lack-of planning/predicting outcomes). This was a huge sucky culture war of the left's - it's not surprising Conservatives of all sorts would jump on it - an easy layup. Disagree with massive immigration of 1 demo out of 100s globally? You're "racist" (and backwards).

More like: people HAVE

artappraiser — Sun, 13 Feb 2022 12:17:14 +0000

In reply to I'll say something really

More like: people HAVE changed because of the extremists enabled by Trump trolling of culture wars:

And it’s not just a white misunderstanding that race relations were much better prior to 2013. It shows up in polling across groups: https://t.co/oHvnhNThpI
— Daniel Friedman (@DanFriedman81) February 10, 2022

From your writing, I think you have a tendency to think just because you've met a few far right wingers they are everywhere. You talk about being in the northwest where it's long been the case of extremist righties fed up with the socialist lefties just because the socialist lefties have been so much in control so long in those areas and have attracted like minds to make a controlling majority.

How much time have you spent in the "heartland"? Have you been in like The Bronx or Queens?

I'm more prone to believe that overall this country is one of the most tolerant in the world, which is what a lot of 2nd generation Americans like Zaid Jilani or Wesley Yang say more than your impressions. Tolerant does not mean you *like* other cultures it means people tolerate each other, enough to live together in close proximity. It's one of the things very special about this country, E. PLURIBUS UNUM, and a few others, since the beginning. I.E., Quakers tolerate living next to communities of Calvinists and Catholics and Dutch capitalists and all unify under one flag when it's necessary and otherwise live in tolerant conditions, able to practice their cultural proclivities.

And of course covid has been a major contribution as people have had to isolate from other tribes

The radicals took control because of Trump's trolling of them coinciding with social media growth. They then drown all the reasonable tolerant people out. Jack Dorsey et. al. got what was happening, that's why they banned Trump, a straight out blatant culture wars troll his whole life and was getting better at the trolling every day.

Democrats were tone-deaf

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:57:00 +0000

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Democrats were tone-deaf about Mexican (not Hispanic) immigration for decades - blithely accepting that huge numbers of Hispanic/Latino but primarily Mexican immigrants from their irresponsible changes to immigration laws would make "whites" a minority by 2050, and "just deal with it (you over-privileged exploitive racist cracker)".
And so part of Republican popularity via Bush & Trump was building at least a virtual wall slowing the surge. Not every Indianan or Minnesotan or Kansan or Georgian was thrilled with a new influx of Hispanics to modify the look & feel of their little burgs. Overall it was a huge display of social tinkering, telling the subjects to just get over it - majority Hispanic is "diverse", majority "white" of whatever type is just the exploitive patriarchy. The Wall came down? Let's bring in more Mexicans. China opening up? Let's bring in more Mexicans. Mideast in flames? Let's bring in more Mexicans. Unlike the waves of Russians and Irish and Italians and Poles and Jews, even Iranians fleeing wars and atrocities, our modern melting pot has been less than stirred.

From 2014:

The Hispanic population is expected to reach about 106 million in 2050, about double what it is today, according to new U.S. Census Bureau population projections. But the new Hispanic population projection for 2050 is lower — by nearly 30 million — than earlier population projections published by the bureau.

The nation’s Hispanic population has been one of its fastest growing in recent decades. Since 1970, the Hispanic population has grown 592%, largely because of the arrival of new immigrants from Latin America — especially Mexico. By comparison, the U.S. population overall has grown 56% over the same period. Between 2000 and 2010 alone, Hispanics made up more than half of U.S. population growth.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/16/with-fewer-new-arrivals...

(the most recent from 2021 has it at 111 million by 2060).

These demographic changes have implications for population projections. For example, in 2008, the bureau projected the Hispanic population in 2050 would be 133 million, about 35 million higher than the 2050 projection published by the bureau in 2000. But 2008 turned out to be a high-water mark for the 2050 Hispanic population projection. By 2012, the bureau’s projection had dropped to 112 million.

What caused 2050’s projected Hispanic population to decline? Toward the end of the 2000s, immigration from Latin America began to stagnate. The growth in the number of Latino immigrants began to stall in 2008. Since then, Asians have been the single largest group of new immigrants arriving in the U.S.

The Census Bureau now projects the Hispanic immigrant population to grow by 57% from 2015 to 2050. That’s lower than a 2008 Pew Research Center projection that had estimated 91% growth over the same period.

While I'm sure the economy has had its effects, I'm sure local sentiment & voting had its effects too - consider the populace in 2008 when the bureau made those 1st projections, how a voter from Indiana or Ohio or Minnesota or Georgia would feel about this prediction? And while we like to focus on presidential candidates as a measure of success, how do you think the immigration issue resonated with voters for Congressional and state offices? Just across from Wash DC, Maryland is now *12% Latino* - forget Viva Las Vegas, those ethnic experiences are coming to you. Fortunately it hasn't seemed to include South/East LA gang wars, but for Ma & Pa Kettle it's certainly a fast switcheroo.

I imagine any Psychology class provides some insight into how fast or slow humans absorb change. Unfortunately, the "woke" or even more "moderate" Dems don't quite fathom that tsunamis are difficult for people. Extend this to "Medicare for All", "$15 Minimum Wage", and other proposed sweeping changes...

I'll say something really

Orion — Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:24:04 +0000

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I'll say something really controversial here, which is that most people in this country are not really quite ready for integration with different classes, races or genders, for that matter. They weren't ready when it happened, we just did it because the country was so prosperous at the time that we thought we could do anything.

People haven't changed, hince why the Alt Right, #metoo and BLM all seem to agree on that one. That doesn't mean that people won't collaborate and get together, but they have to do it on their terms. Forcing people together doesn't work.

It is what it is.

well you could carry that

artappraiser — Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:04:08 +0000

In reply to People from North Africa or

well you could carry that kind of thinking over to official Black Lives Matter "separate but equal" tribal-type rhetoric uniting under the idea of the culture of African-American descendents of slaves too,. as while the population of Americans self-describing as "Black" in the 2020 census dropped from 2010, the percentage of immigrants or children of immigrants among them are higher than ever before. "Black" certainly no longer means traditional African-American culture to many more than it used to.

People from North Africa or

Orion — Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:54:00 +0000

In reply to MINORITY POPULATION DEMOGRAPHICS- new research (continued in comments)

People from North Africa or the Middle East, whatever their color or religion is, are qualified as "white" by the United States census. I suspect that many Hispanics qualified themselves as white until recently in order to not stir the pot too much.

The white population is over inflated and so it's decline may be even more steep than it appears at first glance. I suspect this has to do with the rise of the Alt Right, Donald Trump, etc.

^ note especially second

artappraiser — Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:25:32 +0000

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^ note especially second chart > ROUGHLY ONE IN FIVE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE U.S. ARE IMMIGRANTS OR CHILDREN OF BLACK IMMIGRANTS