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When Ricky Gervais said, “I

artappraiser — Tue, 24 May 2022 13:33:54 +0000

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When Ricky Gervais said, “I want to live long enough to see this woke generation not be woke enough for the next” ... it’s happening! It’s actually happening pic.twitter.com/sDoKouRxMw
— Stacey Jo Lyons (@LyonsL48773597) May 24, 2022

Jeez, Teradittoes or

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 23 May 2022 00:13:25 +0000

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Jeez, Teradittoes or Petadittoes at least - you're like nursing a 1990s ditto machine. And Burundi deserved part of Rwanda's fame. Hope they've made some progress down there since.

Megadittoes (does anyone use

artappraiser — Sun, 22 May 2022 21:54:44 +0000

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Megadittoes (does anyone use that anymore?) and I am reminded I did a whole thread of the counter-productivity as far as politics is concerned:

RACIALIZING A POLICY ISSUE IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN U.S. POLITICS

People really don't like it! It's just that simple.

Edit to add: unless you live in Rwanda in the early 1990's, are Hutu or Tutsi heritage, and only have access to the radio for information, or currently live in Russia with little access to outside information

It's kinda racist to lump all

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 22 May 2022 21:19:09 +0000

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It's kinda racist to lump all "Asians" together. (and yes, same for Africans, tho i cant tell you if African cultures are so diverse - my bad i suppose)

p.s. did you ever see Born on

artappraiser — Sun, 22 May 2022 21:11:37 +0000

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p.s. did you ever see Born on the Fourth of July? that one's a good narratve about what the main culture was like and how some Viet vets came to be part of the counterculture from their experience. the point: the counterculture was not dominant in any way! It was even rejected by many of its main adherents in the Reagan years, i.e. Jerry Rubin of the Chicago 7 getting into promoting business networking...

you seem to me to often

artappraiser — Sun, 22 May 2022 21:04:57 +0000

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you seem to me to often project your own background experience into incorrectly interpreting elite boomer counterculture with an entire generation and time period. I was there, I wanted to be part of the elite counterculture but it was not dominant, you realize there really was a "silent majority" and most young people wanted for nothing more than having a life and culture just like their parents, a small suburban house and a nuclear family. Certainly 90% of my huge high school in Milwaukee was people like that, they even rejected rock music, didn't like it. It may have been different where you grew up if it was in a famously liberal rorthwest area, in most places It really was a counter culture and remained so until like when Clinton/Gore ascended to the White House. A presidential candidate who wore shades indoors while playing the sax and going on late night tv talk shows, that was a shocking announcement that the main culture had finally accepted the counter culture.

so to take that to your argument here - that would mean you are presuming the elite woke of today are ALL the actual biological children of the elite outliers of the boomer generation, that they are reacting against their own parents, and that both generations were/are able to co-opt many larger demographics somehow.

if you actually dig into the

artappraiser — Sun, 22 May 2022 20:46:49 +0000

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if you actually dig into the (stupid) census categories, you can prove all sorts of things countering the popular racial narratives, like this great new example:

"According to the 2019 New York City NYC Government Poverty Measure, 23.8% of Asians are in poverty by municipal standards. This is the highest rate of all racial/ethnic groupings" https://t.co/HHorZWtBWr
— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) May 22, 2022

my point is: the census race question has us wasting a lot of time countering faux narratives, it incorrectly frames a lot of important issues the wrong way, people end up doing studies that counter it when they should be spending time on more fruitful research that would better help class-related problems like crime or poverty or access to education, or immigration policy. Sub-culture is not about race, it 's about sub-culture. Doing the same with ethnicity doesn't help either, because people can easily escape the ethnic culture if they chose to do so, i.e. Peracles Kazakh girl not wanting to be equated as part of the Kazakh tribe but with the techie tribe.

oh god, praying for this to

artappraiser — Sun, 22 May 2022 20:35:09 +0000

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oh god, praying for this to be true, would be so nice that it mostly returns to college students only

Due to the increasing maturity of participants on both sides, the Culture War has been officially downgraded to a Culture Conflict.
— James Tiberius Stone (@Evolving_Ego) May 22, 2022

Of course their children have

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 21 May 2022 23:29:26 +0000

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Of course their children have that luxury. How does "knowing who you are" relate to "belonging"? I met a Kazakh girl yesterday. I mentioned a Kazakh woman working at a nearby restaurant. She didn't care - her group was young hackers and the like - ethnicity had little to do with it - she's a global Citizen in this niche.

I'd say that wokedom is a

Orion — Sat, 21 May 2022 19:18:52 +0000

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I'd say that wokedom is a forced response to the unraveling of identity that previous generations in the US implemented. You had hippies casting aside their lineage and calling themselves stuff like "Ocean Light," their children don't quite have that luxury and want to know who they are. Everyone wants to belong and have a sense of who they are.