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Orion — Mon, 30 May 2022 15:51:59 +0000

In reply to [Antidepressants] Young people on antidepressants more prone to violence

BTW, I in no way mean to

Orion — Mon, 30 May 2022 00:17:21 +0000

In reply to p.s. just found cleaning up

BTW, I in no way mean to deride your attention to the dangers of psycho-pharmaceuticals. I recently tried Cymbalta for physical problems unrelated to depression.for 3 weeks and then quit because I noticed significant mental side effects, mood changes. And that's just an SNRI not even an SSRI. Patient choice and fully informed patients are crucial with all this brain-altering stuff, cause the science is still basically in the dark ages. A wise doctor will admit they don't understand shit about what these drugs do to people and will not play god like in the old days but instead inform the patient of the downsides and give the patient full agency. Unless there is danger of them harming others, nobody should force anyone to take drugs for chrissake, everyone should have the option of stopping them at any time

So, I noticed you guys are generally on the mark with me here until something like this happens. I want to apologize if it seemed like I was trying to push this issue, given the opportunity. I'm not.

Ultimately, this whole thing would be way less of a scourge if we didn't have guns. That is priority number one. Then there should be a strict limitation on pharmaceuticals. I see them as tied to one another, you can't have one without the other.

Also, as you said, once children or women are involved, things are past the mark. That's even a rule and law in prisons, where people who harm women or children are crushed.

Look, I'm going to freely

Orion — Sat, 28 May 2022 15:27:15 +0000

In reply to Gene-editing experiment turns

Look, I'm going to freely admit I haven't moved on from this one. I've been in stasis since coming off of those things.

However, having been off of them for 10 years, I can attest to how truly debilitating these drugs are. They change your personality.

Gene-editing experiment turns

artappraiser — Sat, 28 May 2022 01:35:19 +0000

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Gene-editing experiment turns fluffy hamsters into ‘aggressive’ mutant rage monsters @ Twitter events. A team of scientists in the US have accidentally created overly-aggressive mutant hamsters following a gene-editing experiment. Here's the first link at the tweet.

A team of scientists at Northwestern University in the US have accidentally created overly-aggressive mutant hamsters following a gene-editing experiment.

They were trying to increase bonding between the lovable animals but failed.

Let's Discuss https://t.co/jxOmKAMs0z
— Metro (@MetroUK) May 27, 2022

the point of plopping this here: medicine does not understand how any of this works. We are all ~~guinea pigs~~ hamsters. It is ALL trial and error. Do not trust any one doctor, especially if he/she acts like the boss. You are the boss and he/she is the assistant. If you insist on that, you don't want fewer options, (i.e. ban SSRI's) you want more options. To advocate for fewer options because one option didn't work for you or others you know of, that is counter-productive.

Of course this should apply to fully grown adults only.

p.s. just found cleaning up

artappraiser — Fri, 27 May 2022 06:52:17 +0000

In reply to oh stop Uvalde is a small

p.s. just found cleaning up Bookmarks on Twitter. Even in big cities like Chicago, police can get short-handed real easy. This was when they were all drawn to handling a huge crowd of misbehaving "yuds" in Millennial Park, trying to deter mob rioting developing:

#ChicagoScanner #Chicago

If you need police service in the 1st district good luck.

26 calls for service were just read out over the air and no available cars to assign any of them to
— WindyCity Weather and News (@WindyCityWxMan) May 15, 2022

reminded me of the sad situation of professional looters coming in while police were busy with Geo.Floyd protests and lacking forces due to the pandemic in 2020.

The point here: criminal minds and terrorists LOOK for this opportunity, they look for underprotected areas. We are not going to rid ourself of criminal minds in the near future. Only thing we can do is lessen their impact. Let's keep in mind that the Uvalde shooter was not a waylaid youth playing with guns and gangs, anyone that would mow down a huge bunch of innocent grade school kids after shooting his grandmother in the face (both not just pre-meditated but planned) is probably not salvageable with our current medical knowledge; he is another Anders Breivik and will be an opportunist as far as looking for places where he cannot be stopped

sharing a couple of

artappraiser — Fri, 27 May 2022 06:10:00 +0000

In reply to A reminder that Prozac Nation

sharing a couple of counterreactionary culture warriors dealing with fighting against the latter that I found intriguingly well done:

Please watch and share this woman’s heartbreaking story and important message pic.twitter.com/e2OdSyyjc5
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) May 19, 2022

Rachel Simon, who conducts transgender "therapy" on children as young as 4, said that "sexuality education starts the minute you're born" and encouraged teens to distrust their "bigoted, misinformed parents," especially if they are "religious." pic.twitter.com/g267vx3qqw
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) May 21, 2022

A reminder that Prozac Nation

artappraiser — Fri, 27 May 2022 05:50:03 +0000

In reply to [Antidepressants] Young people on antidepressants more prone to violence

A reminder that Prozac Nation was a best-selling mass phenomenon 27 years ago and many similar pop culture stories followed

So it's not like a majority of people have just become aware of the dangers of psychoactive prescription drugs in both youth and in the general population. You follow and cite continuing medical research, and write about it to deal with the trauma you went through, which is great, but I just cannot believe people are still unaware of the danger.

As a matter of fact the debate about giving mind-and-life altering drugs to children has very much moved on -have you heard?- to Woke wanting to feed hormones to children who are not full grown yet but claim they were born with the wrong gender. Yes, I am being facetious, cause if you have not heard, you are isolating yourself.

oh stop Uvalde is a small

artappraiser — Fri, 27 May 2022 05:31:06 +0000

In reply to I have been off of SSRIs for

oh stop Uvalde is a small town 80 miles west of San Antonio, population was 15,217 at the 2020 census. it's a wonder they have any police "force" at all, that it didn't just consist of Barney Fife. If this had been handled well it would have been a miracle. It was the Border Patrol coming in that finally did the job. (On top of that I read somewhere they elected a mayor who is to the right of Gov. Abbott; if true they probably didn't like the idea of paying taxes for any services at all.) The only way to minimize mass shootings like this in small towns is to not allow 18 year olds and other irresponsible people arm themselves like a terrorist. Still you will not totally prevent nut cases from targeting small towns and rural areas precisely because they lack sophisticated protection - one notable example being Anders Breivik in Norway killing 69 people, mostly teens, at a summer camp, or someone setting off a bomb in such an area

No ones claiming to be able to totally get rid of bad people, just trying to reduce the damage they do in proven ways.

As far as a conspiracy looks to me like it would have to be one by left wingers who wanted to force gun control, otherwise it's a big fail.

I have been off of SSRIs for

Orion — Fri, 27 May 2022 04:44:06 +0000

In reply to I see Marjorie Taylor Greene

In Australia, SSRIs are banned for anyone under 18 and guns are severely restricted. They have done both at once!

But I'm going to concede something to you, artappraiser, violence on antidepressants, like most drug induced bad behavior, usually looks like this:

A CHILD star of Home and Away has been arrested after allegedly battering a shopkeeper with a hammer while on bail for reportedly attacking a cop.

Felix Dean, 24, entered a tobacco shop in Surry Hills, Australia, shortly after 11pm on Monday armed with a hammer before whacking a worker with it, police say.

However, I don't really know what's going on with mass shootings. Apparently police actually acted against the parents and were reluctant to engage the shooter. I honestly wonder if this is something being facilitated on some level.

There was a movie, Black Widow, that hinted at Russian agents co opting young minds to get them to kill. I'll just put that idea out there and then walk away.

Governments are able to put an end to ISIS but not this. It doesn't make sense.

I see Marjorie Taylor Greene

artappraiser — Wed, 25 May 2022 01:33:00 +0000

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I see Marjorie Taylor Greene has heard the news in your article (I admit I doubt she's read up on it)

Our nation needs to take a serious look at the state of mental health today.

Sometimes meds can be the problem.

America is failing our youngest generations from decades of rejecting good moral values and teachings.

We don’t need more gun control.

We need to return to God.
— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (@RepMTG) May 24, 2022

which I saw only because I saw this person's reply to her first -

SHUT UP pic.twitter.com/gSiD8mo5Ih
— K&L (@FlipNCBlue) May 24, 2022

which is beside the point of the rhetorical question I want to present to you:

If anti-depressants were outlawed tomorrow, do you really believe that would make a visible dent in current gun violence? Including suicide as well as against others.

Personally I think it would be a "horse apiece" draw, i.e. a negligible difference. Some of those with negative effects from anti-depressants might think twice before using a gun. But many of those with positive reactions to anti-depressants (even if placebo) might negate any gains there, in that they would be more receptive to impulsive use of guns.

I think it is mainly a diversion and very faulty logic including bias confirmation to talk about this pharma problem in the context of crime and violence, like MTG is using it. As Biden said, other countries have mental illness (and anti-depressants) and they have nowhere near the violence problem we do.

BTW, I in no way mean to deride your attention to the dangers of psycho-pharmaceuticals. I recently tried Cymbalta for physical problems unrelated to depression.for 3 weeks and then quit because I noticed significant mental side effects, mood changes. And that's just an SNRI not even an SSRI. Patient choice and fully informed patients are crucial with all this brain-altering stuff, cause the science is still basically in the dark ages. A wise doctor will admit they don't understand shit about what these drugs do to people and will not play god like in the old days but instead inform the patient of the downsides and give the patient full agency. Unless there is danger of them harming others, nobody should force anyone to take drugs for chrissake, everyone should have the option of stopping them at any time