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The South speaks?

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 01:08:07 +0000

In reply to New FL law doesn't require university students, faculty & staff to register political views

The South speaks?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/opinions/trump-liberals-primaries-2022-mc...

Ugh, well some is what

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 23:46:00 +0000

In reply to If the left didn't give them

Ugh, well some is what righties are selling that lefties are selling. There can be 1 kid in the Bronx picking his nose and saying "defund", and Fox'll find him or create him if need be. FFS, it's a country of 330m, and you act like this is the Dems' major focus. Watch how they reward Biden on 1 million new jobs, or helping Ukraine defend itself. They make it sound like Biden has a hand on the gas price meter. Who gives a shit that a 1st term Congresswoman tweeted something - does NYT have to lick her ass like they lick Trump's ass every time he wants to make a deceptive brain fart? Look at how *you* just reported the Georgia races - Abrams out of office 4 yrs vs strong incumbent and Warnock vs crazed abusive former athlete, and you lined it up quite like Republicans would love her portrayed. Yes, we all had a laugh at the 1619 Project, and it largely went away - fringe figure in Democrat land lost her mojo. But 2 years later the GOP is going to act as if it's accepted Dem doctrine, that Dems are replacing all history teaching with this version so they can do exactly what they bitch the Dems are doing. James fucking O'Keefe, for Gods sake - tell me how Democrats are responsible for him giving doctored video interviews, or how it's Dems' fault that he had to try to publish Biden's daughter's stolen trafficked diary. After 4 years of Donald motherfucking criminal Trump, the GOP is running on a "Biden worst president ever" platform. Sheer fucking shameless liars, whatever you think. Yeah, Dems can be lackluster at times, but you give the Republicans a lot of forgiveness for pure malice.

Oh hey, another outrage that's Democrats' fault - from Digby:

There is no systematic “ballot harvesting” or voter fraud using drop boxes. But the right is invested in saying that the system is so rife with Democratic cheating that they must restrict voting access to the ballot box by any means necessary just to prove a point. There is no partisan advantage to drop boxes. Their own voters use them too:

A divided Wisconsin Supreme Court barred the use of most ballot drop boxes on Friday and ruled voters could not give their completed absentee ballots to others to return on their behalf,a practice that some conservatives disparage as “ballot harvesting.”

It’s a ruling feared by voting rights proponents, who said ahead of time such a decision would make it harder for voters — particularly those with disabilities — to return their absentee ballots. Many Republicans hoped for a ruling that they said would help prevent someone from casting a ballot in the name of someone else.

The 4-3 ruling came a month before the state’s Aug. 9 primaries, when voters will narrow the fields for governor and U.S. senator. Both contests in this battleground state are being closely watched nationally.

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For years, ballot drop boxes were used without controversy across Wisconsin. Election clerks greatly expanded their use in 2020 during the coronavirus pandemic as absentee voting hit unprecedented levels.

By the time of the presidential election, more than 500 ballot drop boxes were in place across Wisconsin. Some Republicans balked at their use, pointing to a state law that says an absentee ballot must “be mailed by the elector, or delivered in person, to the municipal clerk issuing the ballot or ballots.”

The state’s high court on Friday ruled that means voters themselves must return absentee ballots and cannot use drop boxes.

If the left didn't give them

artappraiser — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 22:01:28 +0000

In reply to Conservatives game education

If the left didn't give them ammunition, they couldn't do that, or this

The both sides of the holocaust outrage today is part of the chaos theory in action. They was much outrage out there to distract from what they really want. They’ve been doing this since 2000. The chaos theory is their strategy and it works. They got you all talking about it.
— I’m NotDevinsMom Moron (@NotDevinsMom) July 8, 2022

DeSantis plays culture warrior kabuki against the left while otherwise keeping most constituents in Florida happy and it's successful.

I am quite serious when I say the Democratic party needs to do Sister Souljah-ing of the left. It's the only way they've won national office since like 1975 and that hasn't changed.

Yes, I do blame lefties much more than the conservatives who take advantage of it. They always start "it", whatever it is. The conservatives use "it" because: THE NORMY MAJORITY DOES NOT AGREE with what leftists are selling. The conservatives are not creative, they are reactive.

Pandering to leftists only hurts the Democratic party, they shouldn't be part of the coalition. And yes, I include Justice Dems like AOC. You could say certain districts are left enough to handle it, but lately I dunno about even that: look what happened to Chesa Boudin in San Francisco, for example.

You can keep posting "exposes" of what conservatives are up to on any one of these woke culture wars things and it will not help the situation, will not help Democrats. Because people do not like what lefties are selling. The only solution is Sister Souljah-ing, Dems have to make clear they are not with these people. If they don't the conservative reaction will be judged better than nothing at all. Again, you can post this sort of thing until you're blue in the face and it won't hurt the conservatives doing it, because people do not like what lefties are pushing.

Conservatives game education

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 20:40:30 +0000

In reply to New FL law doesn't require university students, faculty & staff to register political views

Conservatives game education again

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/08/rights-new-social-studies-plan-vows-to-...

And that great educator, Laura Ingraham

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/08/fox-news-escalates-the-gops-on-learning...

"Trust Republicans" episode

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 07:55:02 +0000

In reply to New FL law doesn't require university students, faculty & staff to register political views

"Trust Republicans" episode 3714

So again Dems didn't quite accurately express the disingenuousness the Republican legislature was spinning - or at least not yet, since even if the language says one thing they've been known to enforce it as another. If you got the keys to power, and the Supreme Court tells you you can just make shit up, who's to stop you?

(Thread longer than this)

Here is the underlying bill. There's some other provisions in there as well (including having the LG be picked by the governor rather than run in a seprate primary.) https://t.co/mx3DWeEN7U
— Stephen Caruso (@StephenJ_Caruso) July 8, 2022

The abortion language has not been added yet; lawmakers are currently debating it in committee.
— Stephen Caruso (@StephenJ_Caruso) July 8, 2022

A Democratic amendment on redistricting is tabled. By my count eight D amendments were tabled in total. Now onto final debate.
— Stephen Caruso (@StephenJ_Caruso) July 8, 2022

you ask for proof. I see it

artappraiser — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 17:49:45 +0000

In reply to "Don't Say Gay" was Dem

you ask for proof. I see it all time, all the time:

Them: "We're not trying to sexualize children in public schools, you Conservatives are nuts"!

Also Them: https://t.co/lIlaq5xADF
— Black. Conservative. Educator. Independent Thinker (@FavoriteTeach11) July 6, 2022

all you have to do is follow a few social conservatives and you see proof.

It's not me, I'm not socially conservative, if I had a kid I'd like him/her to be educated relatively liberally as far as social matters are concerned. But politically it's real bad, the young teachers are all indoctrinated with holier-than-thou woke-a-tude, allover the country. It's everywhere in public school curricula. Parents found out during Covid home schooling and they're mad, real mad. They look for it and post proof on social media. I bet it's much more rampant on Facebook.

If anything needs a Sister Souljah, the woke makers of public school curricula do. It comes from the Education Depts. of universities where teachers need to go to get certificates to teach. The Education Depts. of universities have been a big joke since when I was an undergrad, and they are 10 times worse now. They're all indoctrinated in very simplisitic Wokedom. And famously the attendees are mostly not rocket scientists, not cynical, not skeptical, just believe what they are taught. But changing morals of children from those of their parents is just never going to wash with taxpayer-funded public education, it's just not feasible to even think that!

It's real and it's grass roots, not astro turf. People who don't give a shit about politics otherwise, like Hispanic immigrants, are screaming and yelling at local board meetings allover the country. They don't want their children indoctrinated with woke social values.

2 games going on in this

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 14:03:56 +0000

In reply to New FL law doesn't require university students, faculty & staff to register political views

2 games going on in this round of Jan 6 horsemanship:

1) GOP conservatives are now playing that 1 not-under-oath denial about 1 detail (Trump lunging for the wheel) discredits several well-run Congressional sessions led by Liz Cheney-R

2) and thus gives GOP the "right" to come back swinging with Benghazi-style (or worse) revenge hearings (somewhat equivalent to the more-innuendo-&-playing-to-his-partisan-media-audience than real investigation by Durham), and

3) the media let's them launch this PR gambit/possible prelude of things to come by letting them use lots of anonymous sources to make these claims.

Treating a long-term resubmitted piece of Florida GOP legislation as an honest attempt to address a problem rather than yet another fairly transparent attempt to own the libs is a bit too trusting. (Remember when they disrupted the US Mail to influence mail-in ballots for 2020? Rather shameless)

They accept the premise that "truth" is "what the last Committee in Congress most recently screams."

This is how a party can conduct 23 investigations into Benghazi without discrediting themselves. pic.twitter.com/FEaOWYUmeg
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 6, 2022

What is your relationship with truth, as a journalist, when you report as news that anonymous sources want to say something but they're unwilling to say what that is? pic.twitter.com/NOeoLZiYOD
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 6, 2022

You are journalists.

The fact that people (many anonymous) want to throw shit at the wall is not a truth claim, or that interesting. Perhaps the fact that you chase things that ARE NOT truth claims but empty horse race explains why truth claims are increasingly meaningless?
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 6, 2022

One thing to note is that the

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 09:08:02 +0000

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One thing to note is that the NYT, WaPo & others often are taking the easiest grab of a quote to make spicy headlines, and not actually digging into the real details & impacts of situations - frequently that means going to the woke corner to get their soundbite, rather than making the lede the concerns of more average type people.

Here's a few examples where the actual news gets sidetracked, & unsavory types can play them easily to distraction (ok, Zoe Lofgren isnt MSM...)

Well, regard THAT story, I concluded, based on the evidence, that they know fuckall about DOJ, bc they got multiple details about how investigations work factually wrong.

If someone can write abt DOJ without doing that, great.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 4, 2022

Again, no context here. No mention of why charges against her keep getting ratcheted up. https://t.co/IX6B9OhJyx
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 4, 2022

I have to rewatch her testimony because I definitely missed that detail. The part that stuck for me was Meadows having no answer for trump re off the record move before he got in the vehicle to leave the ellipse, but just directed him to ask Engel?
— Amers (@Amers60075625) July 5, 2022

here less an example & more reminding to keep consideration of the real numbers & what they mean:

91 are veterans, pus one active duty.

But a higher percentage of those charged in the militia conspiracies, where it's closer to 40%.https://t.co/FHvaKZUeOj
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 4, 2022

And then there are the GLenn Greenwald types who pretend to be liberals/libertarians, but show up a lot on Fox these days defending Assange & Snowdon & anyone else against the US with heavy-handed distortion of facts.
Folks like Glenn help define how supposedly woke everyone is, and seldom gets called down, having a historical decent reputation from work 15 years ago (except continuously by Marcy)

I know you all know that Area Substacker is a proud liar, but note the two misrepresentations he made here. First, IN FACT, the IC was unduly pessimistic at the start of the RU invasion (that ASS runs interference for). pic.twitter.com/34cKhoYrwS
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 3, 2022

I have a grandson in college

trkingmomoe — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 09:03:08 +0000

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I have a grandson in college here in Florida. He not political at all and college hasn't seemed to change that. He works at Ringling Art College in the kitchen and goes to State College of Florida. So his world is in both private and public college.

I think the far left gets too worked up over DeSantis because he is very well liked here in the state. He does all the things governors are supposed to do and does it very well. It is nice to have a good one for a change. He is focused on Florida and not interested in Federal politics. He is even liked by quite a few Democrats. There are times when party loyalty doesn't matter. He will be reelected.

"Don't Say Gay" was Dem

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 08:31:20 +0000

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"Don't Say Gay" was Dem framing, but...

Florida’s ‘Don’t Say Gay’ law takes effect today. Its impact is already being felt – The Hill

Andrew Spar, the president of the Florida Education Association (FEA), told Changing America that that isn’t a sign of increased anti-LGBTQ+ hate in schools — it’s a signal that educators and other school officials are afraid of losing their jobs.

“That’s why we may see some districts overreact by being extra cautious and just banning any conversations” about LGBTQ+ topics, he said.

Spar said a number of teachers have already approached the FEA about a series of trainings that have taken place in some school districts. During those trainings, teachers said, they were instructed to remove LGBTQ+ Pride flags, safe space stickers and photos of same-sex partners from their classrooms in the lead-up to Friday.

From the beginning, Spar said, an overwhelming majority of Florida’s teachers have opposed the new law, mostly because they believe it will keep them from protecting their students from anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric and help perpetuate harmful stereotypes about LGBTQ+ people.

Teachers have also argued that the legislation solves a problem that does not exist in Florida.

Topics related to sex education, which some state lawmakers have equated with sexual orientation and gender identity, are not taught in grades K-3, according to Sunshine State Standards.

Currently, sex education in Florida does not begin until the fifth grade, Spar said, when health instructors are required to give a one-time lesson on bodily changes that students may be experiencing because of puberty.

Lessons about sexual orientation or gender identity are not part of the curriculum, he said.

But conservative lawmakers have argued to the contrary, claiming that both topics are being pushed in an inappropriate manner on children in classrooms across the state. [proof? - PP]

In emailed comments to Changing America, the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Joe Harding (R), said the measure had successfully prevented “far-left school districts from trying to sexualize our children.”

“Florida is no longer just the freest state in the country, it is now the most pro-parent state as well,” he said.

In March, Harding during a television interview with ABC affiliate WPLG in Miami said he had introduced the bill because he had been notified of multiple instances where educators of students as young as kindergarten were teaching lessons about “gender theory and gender identity.” [I wonder if any actual proof or specifics for these anecdotes? - PP]