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deep thoughts from David Shor

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 20:39:02 +0000

In reply to Josh Marshall on Dem "failure"

deep thoughts from David Shor in convo with Yglesias, Matt Grossman, Chris Hayes & others -

One of my big pet peeves is that a lot of prominent pop political scientists were posting “Working class whites trending against us is just southern realignment” takes basically right up until November of 2016.

It had a really destructive impact on elite understanding of Trump.
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 26, 2022

The south used to be an outlier here, but by the 70’s/80’s the relationship between education and partisanship among white voters had converged across regions.

(This is from @ikuziemko, who is doing really exciting research in this space) pic.twitter.com/SlLasW0GEk
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 26, 2022

The left’s electoral base in the post-war-era was an educational category that basically no longer exists https://t.co/Q7yG4APOSS
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 26, 2022

I think the basic idea is that liberal cultural values started with extremely educated elites (like, literal aristocrats) and have gradually spread to the rest of the population via social diffusion/mass education/media https://t.co/PPl9cFBieT
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 26, 2022

The Lincoln Project:

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 05:16:22 +0000

In reply to Josh Marshall on Dem "failure"

The Lincoln Project:

President Biden has turned our economy around:
6.6 million jobs in his 1st year in office.
a historic low of 3.6%
Wages are rising at a record pace
— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) July 26, 2022

Clearly, they think those should be top talking points

And I would note that Rick Wilson said this the other day:

No. Because they don't know how to fight, when to fight, why the shit they do doesn't work, and will stand staring up at the rain until they drown. https://t.co/O37nkaSk0O
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) July 24, 2022

Speaking of @SherrodBrown —

artappraiser — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 02:00:05 +0000

In reply to Josh Marshall on Dem "failure"

Speaking of @SherrodBrown — the only Democrat who has won statewide in Ohio post-2012 — I asked him last year how he still wins there amid the state’s red turn. Here’s what he said: pic.twitter.com/J1F91it1us
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) July 26, 2022

It’s good to advance popular

artappraiser — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 04:16:16 +0000

In reply to Josh Marshall on Dem "failure"

It’s good to advance popular bills that unite Dems while dividing and embarrassing Republicans.

DeSantis & Trump don’t want to talk about this, so you know it’s a good thing to put on the agenda. https://t.co/36L5NUFhLT
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 23, 2022

Putting popular bills on the floor that unite the Democratic caucus while highlighting GOP extremism in a way that surprises even many rank-and-file conservatives is good. https://t.co/CHYhBNFs7r
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 23, 2022

A really good thing progressive funders could do is to stop plowing money into organizations whose main function is to generate bad press for Democrats and help Republicans win elections. https://t.co/k3AkGWhEUG
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 23, 2022

It’s hard to know what the optimal thing to spend money on is, but zeroing-out the counterproductive spending should be an easy choice.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 23, 2022

Again, so much “climate” advocacy is not just ineffective but directly counterproductive https://t.co/miDiqXnktB pic.twitter.com/UV59welGLQ
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 23, 2022

Democrat presidents have been

artappraiser — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 02:53:18 +0000

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Democrat presidents have been significantly more fiscally responsible
https://t.co/fu6nLbl0U9
— Matt Grossmann (@MattGrossmann) July 24, 2022

accentuate the positive:

artappraiser — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 22:53:58 +0000

In reply to Josh Marshall on Dem "failure"

accentuate the positive:

If you live in South Carolina, Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Tennessee, the average price of gas at the pump is under $4 a gallon.

That's a big deal.
— President Biden (@POTUS) July 22, 2022

more here from activists with the right stuff on their hard drive

pic.twitter.com/aKTtoOrMkH
— OfDevlyn Angel I am woman, hear me ROAR! (@devlyn_angel) July 22, 2022

Yglesias & David Shor:

artappraiser — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 04:11:16 +0000

In reply to Josh Marshall on Dem "failure"

Yglesias & David Shor et.al. -

I see more people coming around to the view that Dems should moderate on policy — usually by loudly insisting that centrists and moderates are wrong about everything and policy doesn’t matter at all but where the upshot actually ends up being that moderating on policy is good.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) July 22, 2022

The annoying thing about this is that quietly moderating while insisting you’re not *really* moderating in order to avoid intra-coalition discord is probably not going to be covered by the press or produce much electoral gain.
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 22, 2022

Isn’t this a blatant concession to the “its all vibes” faction?

Or would the inverse not work — signaling moderation without actually moderating on policy to produce electoral gains?
— Sam Buck (@samlhbuck) July 22, 2022

When you can quietly do big policy change while seeming moderate that’s be great (Biden on food stamps is good here), because voters hate policy change. This is generally the opposite of what the American left wants to do.
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 22, 2022

I’m fine with vibes but this is what vibes look like https://t.co/V9yJ890B7I
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 22, 2022

https://t.co/I7HXw92KvJ
— (((David Shor))) (@davidshor) July 22, 2022

if only the concept of Left Realism could one day catch on!
— Helvering Davis (@low_tex) July 22, 2022

for the umpteenth time: winning, i.e., getting more (enough) votes in the middle, requires disavowing loud lefties yelling about radical policy change and giving off vibes that they are an important part of your coalition, that is > SISTER SOULJAH MOMENTS. Or if you prefer: a little Jim Clyburn late 2020 action along the lines of sit down and STFU with the 'socialism' and 'defund' words until the special election for Georgia's Senators is over, you've already done enough damage helping us lose more seats in the House.