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I just don't see how

artappraiser — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 05:31:01 +0000

In reply to I'm undecided. Musk gets 1

I just don't see how censoring speech if it really is by individuals helps in reality; I think it's not only delusional but possibly counterproductive.(I.E. stupidly authoritarian public health people probably helped push along anti-vax movement.)

And as Maiello pointed out, Twitter already has all the tools an individual could want to censor and curate your own world: mute and block buttons, and many other related functions.

But with vox populi, if you choose to look at it, once you get rid of bots and astroturf projects, throttling one view or opinion or another is simply trying to remake reality, to pretend those views or opinions are not there!

Twitter is not a newspaper, and nobody should promise that only "the truth" is there.

As far as riling up the populace with lies, well, if you believe certain opinions need to be hidden from the stupids, then you don't really believe in democracy, do you? Many politicians have lied over millennia, that's nothing new.

You and your friends know better what they need? You would enact martial law so a Hitler is not elected at his start? Or what?

Where I live, masks and

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:15:00 +0000

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Where I live, masks and distancing and vaccines worked wonders, and where we got sloppy the disease picked up. Testing improved as the pandemic progressed - always a bit on the tail end, but useful. Infection tracking proved useless despite good intentions - with 6-degreea of Kevin Bacon, you're soon tracking everyone, tho a modest quarantine verification worked.

So what do i think about de-amplifying Jay? I'll have to mull over it a bit, frankly. I don't live in as a insane a country as America, so there's more room for considered thought, even tho we have our kneejerk protests as well. And there are always 1 million differing opinions to account for, which in an emergency becomes challenging. We handled the lockdowns rather well. I think everyone knew it was a difficult non-ideal response, but no better alternative. Like all such things, it wasn't even - many got hurt worse than others. I personally had read La Peste several times, so had a stoic existential philosophy to while away the boredom and inconveniences, and wasn't too much at risk financially (avoided what could have been disastrous decisions Jan 2020, just a gym membership gone bad. And schools - i mean, schools adapted rather well to the travails of online learning - one if the brightest spots, even if non-ideal. Childcare was a different matter -

I'm undecided. Musk gets 1

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 01:59:33 +0000

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I'm undecided. Musk gets 1 million likes on anything he posts. The level of amplification is way beyond our quaint "Let them march in Skokie" reference point. The Communists took power in Czechoslovakia with like 36% vote, and then wreaked havoc. Allende was similar, then embraced Moscow. Whether it's bots & astroturfing or deceived citizens (or maybe some are right...), the calculation is different. Time to rethink the assumptions a bit, even if draw the same conclusions. I like free speech and the marketplace of ideas, but even you are down on the havoc that BLM caused with it's overblown & misguided invective. "Take a Knee" was the politest display of protest in my lifetime, not to defund police, but to take repeated high profile abuse as a call for attention and reform. Yet it became a rallying call for racists and those dismissive of minority problems. So idunno.

I was referring to the

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 01:47:00 +0000

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I was referring to the Vitalia B mention, with supposed Russian connections, but still doesn't seem concrete or high level enough to see as significant in the scheming of things. (Think i implied i hadn't/still havent even read up on the basics of the story)

https://news.yahoo.com/germany-knocks-terrorist-group-russian-112800324....

But isn't Musk saying we should promote rumor and whiffs of scandal, because to suppress them is wrong, violates 1st Amendment?

on this

artappraiser — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 23:56:10 +0000

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on this

What a fucking asshat. With 36k comments on his retarded little quips.

What is the short- to long-term damage of this cheerleader for rightiat causes? And who's he working for, presuming not just his own ego?

My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 11, 2022

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by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 12/11/2022 - 10:32am

see this

Battacharya is a mild-mannered professor of medicine at Stanford https://t.co/aVQJQk7Od6
— Hell hath no Fury like Alice (@AliceFromQueens) December 11, 2022

On this, I am watching for,

artappraiser — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 23:02:38 +0000

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On this, I am watching for, but admit I have not yet seen, attribution of these partcular ops to anarchist environmentalist activists. Would actually make a lot more sense than attacking Van Gogh's in museums and Hermes stores in Paris and there is actually a history of similar activities by activists with anarchist goals in the same northwestern area of north America. To the point where one could say that a NC hit by right wing activists is copycatting them. Bet the FBI is checking out a lot of Boogaloo types who cannot be labeled traditionally right wing and have a lot of left wing sympathies. (Was Ted Kaczinski a rightie or a lefty--discuss amongst yourselves...)

I am sympathetic to the

artappraiser — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:49:28 +0000

In reply to Would it be okay for the gov

I am sympathetic to the "against de-amplificaton" argument. In that Twitter is not a editorial outlet claiming to provide the truth but simply a social media platform. Bots and organized astroturfing efforts taking advantage of the setup are the problem, not the opinions of actual individual human beings.

I.E. not allowing anti-vaxxers to speak is putting on blinders to a real problem that exists worldwide. Just because you might not want to see that it's there doesn't mean it's not there. (Goes with the real advantage of allowing hate speech under our First Amendment - .i.e. the Neo-Nazis talk and protest rather than being forced underground to secretly organize ops. Where would today's FBI be if they didn't have Facebook postings to mine after a crime is committed? We'd be back in the days where they actually would have to infiltrate organizations with boots on the ground before acts happened....)

I think: the Putin regime

artappraiser — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:35:31 +0000

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I think: the Putin regime will encourage and promote ANY propaganda that is anti-western. Which doesn't mean it isn't already there and would still exist without them!!! Beware the tendency to attribute everything bad to an all knowing conspiracy by the Russian state. After all, they can't even take over Ukraine easy peasy like they promised - they are not the all powerful and knowing entity they try to be.

On this specfic instance, I think it's highly likely that, as reported, Qanon was a much bigger factor of influence on the German plotters that the Russian state. You could make the FSB and Russia itself disappear tomorrow and Qanon people would still be there. Attributing everything bad to a Putin bogeyman pulling all the strings actually is buying into the delusional thinking in a way.

Would it be okay for the gov

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 09:39:13 +0000

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Would it be okay for the gov to ask Twitter to deamplify accts coordinating and promoting an attack on the grid? Asking for Matt Taibbi. Has he spoken up yet about the German coup attempt with some high up Russian - but unsure how significant - connection?

Attacks on Pacific north-west

artappraiser — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 05:54:55 +0000

In reply to FBI joins investigation into North Carolina power outage caused by ‘intentional’ attacks

Attacks on Pacific north-west power stations raise fears for US electric grid

Series of attacks come after assault on North Carolina facilities cut electricity to 40,000

By Dani Anguiano in Los Angeles for TheGuardian.com, Dec. 10

A string of attacks on power facilities in Oregon and Washington has caused alarm and highlighted the vulnerabilities of the US electric grid.

The attacks in the Pacific north-west come just days after a similar assault on North Carolina power stations that cut electricity to 40,000 people.

As first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting and KUOW Public Radio, there have been at least six attacks, some of which involved firearms and caused residents to lose power. Two of the attacks shared similarities with the incident in Moore county, North Carolina, where two stations were hit by gunfire. Authorities have not yet revealed a motive for the North Carolina attack.

The four Pacific north-west utilities whose equipment was attacked have said they are cooperating with the FBI. The agency has not yet confirmed if it is investigating the incidents.

It’s unknown who is behind the attacks but experts have long warned of discussion among extremists of disrupting the nation’s power grid.

Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) said in a statement on Thursday that it was seeking tips about “trespassing, vandalism and malicious damage of equipment” at a substation in Clackamas county on 24 November that caused damage and required cleanup costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

“Someone clearly wanted to damage equipment and, possibly, cause a power outage,” said John Lahti, the utility’s transmission vice-president of field services. “We were fortunate to avoid any power supply disruption, which would have jeopardized public safety, increased financial damages and presented challenges to the community on a holiday.” [....]